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By Philip Marlow
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In a 'even a stopped clock...' shocker, Jan Moir writes a sensible, even insightful, in places, article.

Is it time to let Charlie go? Tragically, yes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... l-facebook
In a way, the legal machinations have not helped in an emotional sense, because they have given Chris and Connie the illusion of a battle they can fight, perhaps even win. It has pitted them against the hospital and provided them with an enemy in clear sight — an enemy that is easier to oppose than the unwinnable situation that is the reality of their position.
I'm faintly gobsmacked that she had it in her.
By Safe_Timber_Man
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JAN MOIR: I know all too well the casual barbarism of the trolls who conceal themselves on social media
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... rolls.html

‘Now they press a button and you read vile abuse that 30 years ago people would have been afraid to even write down,’ she said.

And that is the problem. Enabled by the liberation of anonymity, every disgruntled loser with a laptop can give voice to their darkest intolerances. The concealment and facelessness that social networking fosters has given an outlet to a new kind of casual barbarism.

As documented on here and a twitter account dedicated to Mail Online comments, some of the stuff written by Mailites are absolutely shocking, racist and downright disgusting. For the Mail to jump onto this particular bandwagon is beggars belief when you see the sort of comments their own articles attract.

I'd say someone needs to send Jan Moir a list of Daily Mail comments but I'm sure she's aware of the bile written by Mailites and is simply turning a blind eye.

AJ44, Guildford, United Kingdom, 1 hour ago
Social media should be shut down internationally for a week once a year. Give the abused a break, the abusers find something else to do and live in the real world, just for a week.
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I still can't get my head around the concept of these dolts calling for social media to be shut down via comments posted on the internet.
By Safe_Timber_Man
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Jan uses the Putney Bridge Jogger incident to rant about cyclists.

There's no selfish oaf like a Hogger Jogger or Lycra Lout: JAN MOIR on why she's mightily sick of cyclists
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lists.html

Police investigating the Putney Jogger have made an arrest. Good. Whatever happens next, the keep fit freak who pushed a woman out of his way and into the path of a bus might think twice about doing his worst on the London streets again.

The footage of the incident, captured by a traffic camera, was particularly shocking.

Only quick reflexes from the driver saved the 33-year-old woman from being run over, her skull pancaked by the nearside wheel of a 12-ton double-decker bus packed with passengers.

Yesterday’s arrest suggests that the police, at least, took the incident seriously — and thank goodness for that. In many quarters, this near-death of an innocent pedestrian had been treated as a bit of a joke.

There was a larky discussion of jogging etiquette on Radio 4’s Today programme, where no one pointed out that Jog Rule No. 1 should simply be; thou shalt not kill.

Meanwhile, Radio 2’s Jeremy Vine is in trouble for starting a supposed-to-be hilarious online Twitter poll to guess the profession of the jogger. Jeremy’s theory is that the man is a banker, because Jeremy doesn’t like bankers.

However, Jeremy is a cyclist, and lots of us don’t like them either. Especially those ghastly Lycra Louts who join Hogger Joggers and other uber-blokes who seem to revel in claiming any public space as their own personal fiefdom.

Make way, manspreading he-oaf coming through!

Yes, I know. Women can be just as bad.

I’ve had enough run-ins with yoga mums in Lululemon leggings (there’s a yoga centre near my home) to know that it is unwise to come between them and their double-parked Chelsea tractor, but you have to confront them anyway. Just to see the shock register in their eyes that the perfect arc of their day is, however momentarily, going to be thwarted.

And like Mr Putney, there seems to be an increasing amount of joggers who think they have a divine right not to deviate from their chosen path as they thump-thump along city pavements.
I’ve lost count of the number of times I have stepped aside to let them past, with little acknowledgement or thanks.

But cyclists are the worst.

I’m mightily sick of cyclists, always male, with nostrils flaring like raging bulls and calves as big as ostrich eggs as they surge through our cities and towns on roads that were never built to accommodate them.

There is a palpable sense of grievance and rage should you dare to get in their way, while those equipped with helmet-cameras are quick to accuse others of traffic crimes and misdemeanours.
But shouldn’t they get their own bike shed in order first?

For a start, sort out the law- breakers in the swarm, who sail past ‘no cycling’ signs, ride two abreast and mow down straggling pedestrians when they move off before the traffic lights turn green.
Also, something must be done to appease fed-up motorists who argue that cyclists should have to pay road tax, have third party insurance and be identified by licence-plates, just like them.
Cycling is a one-way street, it seems, where the needs of the two-wheeled trump the wants of everyone else.

New research suggests that middle-aged male cyclists get a sense of peace and better mental wellbeing, but what about the rest of us? And if that is indeed true, why do so many of them behave as if they were permanently hovering just a few spokes short of a full metal fury? Of course, they are not alone in their wrath. Cycling rage and jogging rage join road rage, parking rage, air rage, trolley rage, queue rage, neighbour rage, garden boundary and ‘who left the milk out of the fridge’ rage.

And all of it is predicated by selfishness and a lack of fellow feeling for others.

The Lycra Louts are the same people who drive their cars badly, talk loudly in the cinema, recline their seats on planes, manspread on the Tube, beep their horns for no good reason and eat the last Rolo.

They spread the Marmite of casual vandalism on the muffin of civilised society, bulldozing their way through life without thinking of anyone but themselves, and with no regard for the personal space of others.

All that matters to them is that they have the right to do what they want, when they want, and woe betide anyone who gets in their way.
How did this happen to the nation of the Dunkirk spirit and ‘no — after, you, please’?

Personally, I blame mobile phones. They cut people off from society around them, making them less aware and uninterested in their surroundings. Instead of engaging with, and minding out for, other human beings, phone addicts are lost in their own little world; safe inside the parameters of a tiny, blinking screen where they are sovereign of all they survey and everything is about them.
No one is in the moment any more, to the detriment of us all.

Yet chivalry and kindness are not dead! I see random acts of court-liness nearly every day, sometimes even from cyclists.

People will still stand up for others on buses and trains, help the elderly with their luggage, and wrestle a buggy downstairs for a harassed young parent.

Yet sometimes I think we will soon all be swept away by the mass selfishness of others, and that we are only a thin lip of civilisation on a roaring maw of brutishness.
The decline of good manners and rise of oafishness is a terrible thing.

However, cyclists, joggers, drivers and road-hoggers — watch out for us, because we are tired of watching out for you.

As it's on ongoing police investiation:
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Gutting for Jan. The Mailites would have been itching to pile in and fling insults at cyclists.
By Bones McCoy
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Andy McDandy wrote:WT actual F?

What did I just read? Yeah, I get it. General whinge about the state of the world. But still bloody appalling.
Presumably Jan's short on copy because none of the pooves have obligingly died this week.
By SoulBoy
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Essentially joggers...non-sequitur...cyclists...don't pay road tax...cyclists drive cars badly...another clunky gear change...mobile phones started the rot...

I was imagining her swigging from a three litre bottle of White Lightning while berating passers by at the end of town where every shop is a bookies, an offy or a pawn shop as she dictated her column.
By Andy McDandy
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And before mobiles it was Walkmans, and before that it was something else...

A few years ago there was a documentary called "Beyond the Clouds" about rural life in China. It featured an old woman moaning about the youth of today, how everyone was so self centred. I imagine it's been going on forever.

I just double-took slightly when she blamed cyclists for sounding car horns all the time.
By youngian
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I was selective about London cycling and disliked the macho lycra racers at war with the motorist. Glad to be back in Cambridge where don't make a fuss about it and just get on and off their bikes. And you almost have the upper hand on the road rather than playing Russian roulette.
By Safe_Timber_Man
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Hard hitting stuff - The Great British Bake Off.

Even though it's not on the BBC anymore the Daily Mail still hate it. They've recently been running stories about one of the contestants being a "secret professional baker". This is based on his instagram photos of previous cakes he's made, as he's a keen baker, and a random comment online from someone saying he's so good it's like he's a "secret professional baker". He's not. But a random comment online is enough for the Mail to call it a scandal.

Ready, steady, fake: JAN MOIR has had her fill of The Great British Bake Off’s crumbling gateau as ratings nosedive
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/artic ... e-Off.html

Fair enough. She's watched the new show and has made an informed decision on. Although, seeing as she wrote his a year ago:

Loyalty, sweet darling Mary Berry - and a greedy rat Hollywood who'd mow you down to grab the last teacake: JAN MOIR says the Bake Off is well and truly cooked
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ooked.html

One suspects that she didn't exactly give it a fair crack of the whip and it had already been decided that the new Bake Off is a very bad thing before it had even started.

Funnily enough, the Mailites have done an U-turn and DO like it so far this year. It should be noted that last year, when they hated it, Muslim Nadia was a contestant and winner...
By Safe_Timber_Man
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Ah yes, I stand corrected. That was Candice Brown. Although, despite her being white and home counties the Mailties fucking hated her...because she was too pretty. They're a tough crowd.

liverpool lassie, suffolk, United Kingdom, 5 months ago
What's with the silly awkward poses? Massively cringey! Still pouting too.....just very unlikeable.
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By mr angry manchester
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So, lets see. They didn't like Nadya because she's Muslim, even though she seems to be extremely nice. Then they didn't like Candice simply because she was glamorous.

Would they have liked it if some miserable, bad tempered, shouty BNP type had won it? No, probably not.

Mail readers are basically only happy if they are drowning in a cesspool of hatred for everything and everybody. They're just a cornucopia of cunts.
By Bones McCoy
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mr angry manchester wrote:So, lets see. They didn't like Nadya because she's Muslim, even though she seems to be extremely nice. Then they didn't like Candice simply because she was glamorous.

Would they have liked it if some miserable, bad tempered, shouty BNP type had won it? No, probably not.

Mail readers are basically only happy if they are drowning in a cesspool of hatred for everything and everybody. They're just a cornucopia of cunts.
These joyless fuckers will only be satisfied when the winner is Anne Widdecombe serving burned white toast - and no second helpings!!
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