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By Safe_Timber_Man
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For some reason the Daily Mail are running Rod's Spectator article.

It's awful. I can see why the Daily Mail wanted to print it. Proper wank fodder for their angry readers.

Spare me wall-to-wall whingeing women on the radio! A shamelessly un-PC cri de coeur from ROD LIDDLE – an ex-editor of Radio 4’s Today show
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... women.html
We had a long drive back from the North-East a few weekends ago. It took six hours or so, including a stop halfway, just past Britain’s most crepuscular town, Grantham.

My wife does the driving, because she thinks I’ll kill us all. My job is to feed album after album into the car’s admirably old-fashioned CD player.

I rarely play more than three or four songs from the same album, because my wife gets tetchy and says something like: ‘This is too noisy’ or ‘This is boring, change it.’

So I’m kept pretty busy. And every time I remove a CD, the car’s ‘entertainment centre’ reverts to its default position of playing BBC Radio 4.

And here’s the point. We set out at midday. It was five hours before I heard a male voice on Radio 4, when Saturday PM came on. Five hours.

We must have heard snatches of Radio 4 about 40 or 50 times and, on each occasion, it was a woman moaning about something.

Moan, moan, moan, all the live-long day. In each case, they were complaining about injustice in some form — and usually an imagined injustice.

Women were moaning as we passed Thirsk, Selby, Doncaster. They were still moaning at Retford and Newark and Grantham. Their moaning was often afforded succour by the presenter — always female — who did a spot of empathetic moaning alongside them.

Marginal moaning, tendentious moaning, gratuitous moaning. A drama with foreign women moaning. A discussion programme with British women moaning. It was ceaseless.

And it was my wife, by the way, who pointed all this out to me as we drove down the A1. It annoys her even more than it annoys me — probably because it’s so patronising to women.

It’s not that I think women are inherently more moany than men — in fact, it’s probably the reverse if anything.

But, apparently, some Radio 4 news and current affairs programmes, such as Today, are now required to ensure that at least 50 per cent of their contributors are female, in each show, otherwise the producers get hauled over the coals.

This is because the job of these programmes is now not to tell us what is going on by reporting the world as it actually is, but to indulge in a spot of social engineering and report the world as their idiotic liberal panjandrums wish it were. And to treat their audiences with contempt.

Interviewees are no longer selected on whether they’ve got something interesting to say, or occupy a position of power and should be held to account, but simply because they are in possession of a vagina. Or, maybe, identify as being in possession of a vagina.

It wasn’t always this way. And it has been pointed out with great scorn that just a decade ago, the Today programme — of which I am a former editor — featured only 18 per cent female voices. But the Today programme is meant to set the news agenda for the day. To do that, it needs to feature contributors who are major players in Government — even if, for example, the Foreign Secretary and shadow foreign secretary are both male.

If you reject them on those grounds, and instead pick women who are junior ministers or just MPs, you cannot hope to set the agenda.

Frankly, the ubiquity with which the BBC insists on shoehorning women into its programming is a bit problematic. Of course, it’s only problematic if they’re no good at the job — and unfortunately, sometimes they are.

It would seem to me that Today and World At One and so on should have no women on their programmes whatsoever, so as to provide a balance with the rest of Radio 4’s output. The network would still have a preponderance of female voices overall, but there would be two or three male ghettos (the programmes people actually listen to).

The BBC will argue that this quota system is simply an attempt to represent an estimated 51 per cent of the British population, i.e. women, and is nothing to do with social engineering or political correctness.

Well, if so, fine. Indeed, perhaps the BBC might consider expanding this scheme to ensure that other sectors of the British population which account for more than 50 per cent overall might equally be allowed 50 per cent representation on air. Such as? Here’s a quick list, then:

People who want the UK to leave the European Union — 52 per cent (Source: that referendum we had in 2016).
People who think Islam is not compatible with the British way of life — 56 per cent (ComRes poll, 2016).
People who disagree with the ‘right’ of gay people to adopt children — 52 per cent (British Social Attitudes Survey, 2013).
People who think that immigration levels to this country are too high — 63 per cent (YouGov poll, 2018).
People who think immigration in general has had a negative impact in the UK — 71 per cent (Sky poll for the think tank Demos, 2018).
Europeans who want to stop all immigration from Muslim majority countries — 55 per cent (Chatham House, 2017).
People who believe Britain is a Christian country — 55 per cent (YouGov poll, 2014).
People who think, rightly, that there are just two genders, male and female — 56 per cent (Fawcett Society, 2016).
People who do not identify as ‘feminist’ — 93 per cent (Fawcett Society, 2016).
Now, tell me if you think those views are proportionately represented on the BBC, and especially Radio 4? Do you think they are given equal airtime to the less popular liberal standpoints which nonetheless the BBC supports?

If so, you have been listening to a very different Auntie to me over the past ten years.

In almost every case quoted above, people who express those sorts of views are considered by the BBC to be antediluvian and quite beyond the pale, and the usual discussion to be had is: what can we do to make these morons change their minds? Those views quoted here are simply wrong, so far as the BBC is concerned, and there’s an end to it, even when those views are in a clear majority.

We can quantify at least one of those prejudices: we have hard facts, thanks to the tireless efforts of Lord Pearson of Rannoch, the former leader of Ukip, who has spent years exhaustively detailing the airtime given by the BBC to people (the majority, remember) who wished for the UK to leave the European Union.

So here are the figures. Out of 4,275 guests talking about the EU on the Today programme between 2005 and 2015, only 132, or 3.2 per cent, were supporters of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU.

Now that seems an imbalance to me. It seems as though the BBC is not representing its listenership and that maybe quotas should be introduced.

If anything, this bias is more evident in the entertainment programming than in hard news.

The other day, I found myself listening to a truly interesting programme about the composer who wrote the score for the film Watership Down — only to realise that the programme had been made, not because it was a good story, but because the brilliant composer was also transgender.

It wasn’t a bad run home from Middlesbrough, except for a tailback at Huntingdon caused by the closure of the A1 for 20 miles.

It occurred to me, as we sat in the traffic, that maybe they closed it because insufficient women had been seen driving on that stretch of the road.

That’s what it does to you, listening to Radio 4 these days.

NickD1, London, 1 hour ago
Best article I've read for a long time. And all so true. Bbc has been UNrepresentative for years. They don't represent their listeners or the public, they represent their liberal agenda.
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Incontinentia-buttocks, Stevenage, United Kingdom, 1 hour ago
I can't bring myself to listen to BBC radio or even watch BBC TV unless it really is something I can't miss, which I rare. I just can't stand their smug, patronising presenters, women or otherwise. And their constant left wing liberal agenda has my stomach wanting to work in reverse. Tired of being forced to fund this legalised extortion.
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BS, Cheshire, United Kingdom, 57 minutes ago
Hit the nail on the head with those observations. I'd like to know who gave the BBC a mandate to undertake social engineering.
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worldweary, Heavens Gate, United Kingdom, 1 hour ago
Far too sensible. He won't go far in today's Britain.
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Zoeroberts, Berkshire, 1 hour ago
Brilliant article. Spot on.
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By Big Arnold
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So I’m kept pretty busy. And every time I remove a CD, the car’s ‘entertainment centre’ reverts to its default position of playing BBC Radio 4
=I've lost the instruction booklet, and am too thick to change stations without it.
By Daley Mayle
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I listen to a lot of R4, especially on a Saturday afternoon. 12.30 there's a comedy slot, rotating between the News Quiz (takes the piss out of Brexit), the Now Show (likewise) and Dead Ringers (ditto). This is followed by a repeat of Any Questions, the R4 equivalent of Thursday night's TV's Gammon Time, usually with a majority of male panelists. This is followed by Any Answers where mainly spluttering old men phone in and moan about how Brexit should mean Brexit. Then there's a play followed by an art's programme followed by, yep, weekend Woman's Hour. Then it's Eddie Mair and 5pm news.

Apart from Woman's Hour it ain't wall-to-wall women. So I call bollocks on your column Mr Liddle.
By Safe_Timber_Man
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Rod being a cunt in The Sun today:

He gets a big angry and ranty here:
Liberals Trumped

SO, the adolescent, unemployable liberal scumbags are still trying to get Donald Trump’s visit to the UK cancelled.

Lefties who cannot bear to hear people express different views to their own will be staging infantile protests across London.

There are even plans to have a giant blimp of the US president flying across the capital.

A typically nasty and childish little prank by people who cannot abide democracy.

And who do not care that the US is our major ally – and especially important once we have left the European Union.

The protests are being supported by such organisations as ActionAid, which calls itself a charity.

Make sure you never give those people any of your money.

And one more thing, you protestors. You think Trump is only in power for four years? Think again. He will win again.

Just as other populists are winning elections across Europe.

The liberals have lost the argument and they are losing at the polls.

Pointless attack on Abbot:
We need Di-oxide

JUST as the England team looks like it’s going places and everyone’s happy, there’s a beer shortage.


This is because of a national shortage of carbon dioxide.

How the hell can we have a shortage of THAT?

Your average human breathes out almost three pounds of the stuff every day.

This is a national crisis and I think I have the answer.

We need to get some people who are of no other use to the world to sit in vast vats of flat lager, belching continuously.

Diane Abbott, for example.

Humans involved in strenuous exercise exhale even more CO2 – maybe 12 pounds a day. So, Diane, on a treadmill, in a vast vat of lager, belching continuously. Yum.

There's also an attack on 'Muslim Immigrants' in the paper version but for some reason it hasn't made it onto their website.
By youngian
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SO, the adolescent, unemployable liberal scumbags are still trying to get Donald Trump’s visit to the UK cancelled.

Lefties who cannot bear to hear people express different views to their own will be staging infantile protests across London.
He's morphed from liberals to lefties in a sentence.

His awareness of Trump's approach to international relations is even more tenuous.
And who do not care that the US is our major ally – and especially important once we have left the European Union.
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