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By office_tramp
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#66270
I would like to see alist showing the nuber of state emploied people in each of the areas on the list
Rating 53+ Frank Morris, Brisbane Australia, 20/4/2009 4:40
Why?
Seems like stating the obvious to me, the more you earn the more you pay, as it should be.
- Dereck Smith, Insch United Kingdom

Perhaps you haven't quite understood this article. Of course logically the more you earn the more you pay, but surely the percentage should be the same? How is it right that people in St Albans pay 25% tax, whilst those in Hull pay only 14%? What happens to those people who work hard to make £43,000 a year, and get their pay rise which takes their earnings to £43,874? Their tax doubles, and they end up taking home less than they did before their pay rise!

Classic stealth tax, by a very clever government who could foresee that the average rise in wages would quickly bring many 'average' workers into the 40% tax band!
Rating +37 Claire (ex-pat), California, USA, 20/4/2009 9:11
The US must have sent out a invitation to dullards.
 
By jonnyhead
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Why is it people think the more you earn the more right people have to take your money. The people with the most money are in fact the so called 'poor' who take everthing they can in benefits and housing and pay nothing back to society. It sickens me that decent hard working individuals who have always worked and paid whats fair, who would be ashamed to go on the dole if they were jobless despite paying into it, are the ones that are always targeted for tax hikes. If people honestly think £40,000 is a high wage think again. Factor in mortgages, pension contributions, NI, food prices, fuel prices and normally looking after a family on top of the ridiculus amount of tax they have to pay and what you find is a class of people with very little disposable income. It is disgusting, something has gone seriously wrong in this country and it needs to be sorted out.
Click to rate Rating 12- Jessica, Poole, Dorset, 20/4/2009 9:44
Wait, what? Let me read that again:
The people with the most money are in fact the so called 'poor'
:shock: That could go on a t-shirt for proud Mail readers to wear.

This is just insane though:
Typical Mclabour and Mcbaldrick.
Where are all these cities?
England, of course - WHERE ELSE?
Mcbaldrick loathes and detests us hard working thrifty ENGLISH taxpayers and savers.
No votes from us to him - AND HE KNOWS IT.
ROGER, brighton, in the USSR - Union of Scottish Socialist Regulators, 20/4/2009 10:18
See? It's all part of Brown's dastardly Scottish conspiracy to ensure his fellow Scots pay less tax. He achieves this by ensuring they're comparatively poor! Woo!
 
By Amazonian
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#66323
Indeed: he was smelly, stupid (after series one)...but never really a conniving schemer. Roger of Brighton is indeed a grade one bungholio.

Oh, and:
If people honestly think £40,000 is a high wage think again.
And if you honestly think that you're hard-done-by on £40k a year, then go live in a fucking ditch, you blinkered, selfish bitch.
By tc-obo
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An historical fact: in the 1950's under the Tory McMillan the working class and low paid paid almost NO TAX, the tax burden was on the middle classes. The result was that many more poor people worked as no tax was taken from them. It was worth taking low paid jobs.

Cameron should consider this again, a decent minimum wage with a much higher tax threshold and even then a 15% tax bracket between 10K and 18K. The result would be that he could get rid of working families tax credit (Brown's abysmal idea), family credit (Maggies necessity because of no minimum wage) and its bureaucracy and the poor could see a reason to leave benefits and work. As it is we tax the low paid to then given it back as in work benefits which are not included in the calculations above.

As a middle class person I want to see happy rubbish collectors, waiting staff, cleaners, admin etc. They make my life better. Stop being snobs.
Click to rate Rating 166

- Freewheelin, Sheffield, 20/4/2009 10:34
This relatively left-wing comment attracts 166 greens!
 
By daveinbrum
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office_tramp wrote:
Perhaps you haven't quite understood this article. Of course logically the more you earn the more you pay, but surely the percentage should be the same? How is it right that people in St Albans pay 25% tax, whilst those in Hull pay only 14%? What happens to those people who work hard to make £43,000 a year, and get their pay rise which takes their earnings to £43,874? Their tax doubles, and they end up taking home less than they did before their pay rise!

Classic stealth tax, by a very clever government who could foresee that the average rise in wages would quickly bring many 'average' workers into the 40% tax band!
Rating +37 Claire (ex-pat), California, USA, 20/4/2009 9:11
The US must have sent out a invitation to dullards.
Has Claire ever paid tax? Surely she doesn't really think that's how the banding system works!
 
By jonnyhead
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daveinbrum wrote:
office_tramp wrote:
Perhaps you haven't quite understood this article. Of course logically the more you earn the more you pay, but surely the percentage should be the same? How is it right that people in St Albans pay 25% tax, whilst those in Hull pay only 14%? What happens to those people who work hard to make £43,000 a year, and get their pay rise which takes their earnings to £43,874? Their tax doubles, and they end up taking home less than they did before their pay rise!

Classic stealth tax, by a very clever government who could foresee that the average rise in wages would quickly bring many 'average' workers into the 40% tax band!
Rating +37 Claire (ex-pat), California, USA, 20/4/2009 9:11
The US must have sent out a invitation to dullards.
Has Claire ever paid tax? Surely she doesn't really think that's how the banding system works!
I like the idea that she thinks governments won't have thought this through like she did. Income tax has been around in Britain for over 200 years, and Claire here reckons she's found a problem the finest economic minds or the past 20 decades or so hadn't spotted. She actually thinks they'd operate a tax system whereby potentially tens of thousands of people would be refusing pay rises because it would lose them money.
 
By jonnyhead
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#66374
Amazonian wrote:
If people honestly think £40,000 is a high wage think again.
And if you honestly think that you're hard-done-by on £40k a year, then go live in a fucking ditch, you blinkered, selfish bitch.
The thing is, would a single one of these complainers actually move to Hull and take a £17k job? They all sit around complaining about how the lower end of society has it made (prisoners, immigrants, people on unemployment benefit), but surely deep down they know that it's still the case that £40k is a pretty fucking good wage?

There's gotta be a lot of Mail readers on £20k or less, I wonder how they feel seeing comments from people who earn double what they earn complaining about their terrible tax burden?
 
By bluebellnutter
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#66385
jonnyhead wrote:
Amazonian wrote:
If people honestly think £40,000 is a high wage think again.
And if you honestly think that you're hard-done-by on £40k a year, then go live in a fucking ditch, you blinkered, selfish bitch.
The thing is, would a single one of these complainers actually move to Hull and take a £17k job? They all sit around complaining about how the lower end of society has it made (prisoners, immigrants, people on unemployment benefit), but surely deep down they know that it's still the case that £40k is a pretty fucking good wage?

There's gotta be a lot of Mail readers on £20k or less, I wonder how they feel seeing comments from people who earn double what they earn complaining about their terrible tax burden?
They probably get censored out by the mods
By horacegoesskiing
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#66388
£40k? That's bloody huge in my book and I'd love to be earning enough money to be a higher rate tax payer. I'm earning just over half that now and I'm managing to save a fair bit of money each month.

These people whinging about the amount of tax they have to pay have obviously got life far too easy. Their ancestors were probably peasants with a very low life expectancy and their fellow members of homo sapiens in places like Zimbabwe have life nowhere near this good. I think these people don't think that their lives are complete unless they feel like they've been victimised somehow by the NuLiebour boogieman.
By Fflaps
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Confession time, I earn over £40k a year (ooh, get me!) and I am very happy to pay the amount of tax I do, because I believe in a fair and equitable society, and because I spent long enough on the dole that I took plenty from the taxpayer and really appreciate now that this is a lot to be earning. Also I am able to save loads cos my spending habits haven't changed much from when I was on £18K. I am bloody lucky tbh and I can well imagine how annoyed a Mail reader on say £20K would be, reading idiots whinging about how much they're paying.
By mattomac
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Fflaps wrote:Confession time, I earn over £40k a year (ooh, get me!) and I am very happy to pay the amount of tax I do, because I believe in a fair and equitable society, and because I spent long enough on the dole that I took plenty from the taxpayer and really appreciate now that this is a lot to be earning. Also I am able to save loads cos my spending habits haven't changed much from when I was on £18K. I am bloody lucky tbh and I can well imagine how annoyed a Mail reader on say £20K would be, reading idiots whinging about how much they're paying.
Nah good luck to you....I'm not against people earning a decent wage, I'm against these people moaning how little they have, whilst usually at the same time moaning how much us Unemployed are getting (which is fuck all)
By Fflaps
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mattomac wrote:
Fflaps wrote:Confession time, I earn over £40k a year (ooh, get me!) and I am very happy to pay the amount of tax I do, because I believe in a fair and equitable society, and because I spent long enough on the dole that I took plenty from the taxpayer and really appreciate now that this is a lot to be earning. Also I am able to save loads cos my spending habits haven't changed much from when I was on £18K. I am bloody lucky tbh and I can well imagine how annoyed a Mail reader on say £20K would be, reading idiots whinging about how much they're paying.
Nah good luck to you....I'm not against people earning a decent wage, I'm against these people moaning how little they have, whilst usually at the same time moaning how much us Unemployed are getting (which is fuck all)
Totally agree with you, I've been in both situations and I can tell you I'd much rather be working and paying 40% tax than having to live off the paltry amount you get on benefits. Anyone who says £40K (or even £30K) a year isn't much seriously needs to get some perspective.
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