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By bluebellnutter
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Asking whether you pick the phone up before dialling seems a perfectly reasonable question from where I'm stood
By SoulBoy
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They seem to think that dialling numbers on a phone is an essential survival skill that dates back to caveman days.

At what point did people start to direct dial rather than ask an operator to patch you though? The rotary dial phone must occupy a tiny part of even post-industrialisation history.
 
By Boiler
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SoulBoy wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:08 pm
They seem to think that dialling numbers on a phone is an essential survival skill that dates back to caveman days.

At what point did people start to direct dial rather than ask an operator to patch you though? The rotary dial phone must occupy a tiny part of even post-industrialisation history.
Depends on where you lived. Until the advent of STD - Subscriber Trunk Dualling - even if your phone had a dial you'd still have to ask an operator to make a long-distance call. STD began around late 1958 and was completed around 1979 according to Wonkypedia. But phones with a dial go all the way back to 'candlesticks' - I have one.

http://www.britishtelephones.com/histuk.htm is very informative indeed. According to that site dials were introduced in the US at the end of the 19th century and Strowger gets a UK mention in 1897.
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By Boiler
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Kreuzberger wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:28 pm
I can confidently guarantee that anyone who is proud to have mastered a trim-phone in 1976 will contribute nothing of any value to 2019.
Other than how to cradle the acoustic tube handset between shoulder and ear whilst holding the phone with one hand and dialling with the other as the phone was too bloody light, as designed.

Mmmm, tritium....
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By MisterMuncher
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Safe_Timber_Man wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:20 pm
cycloon wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:05 pm
But i'd bet all those Mailites can't work something a teenager doesn't even register as a thing.


And they're damn proud of it. They have no desire to learn about these newfangled gizmos and will tell anyone who'll listen.
"I don't know, and I don't want to know".

I'd like to see how it would really play out, though. Let's give these old reliables slide rules, inch tapes and rotary phones, and a few kids smartphones, and see who can solve a practical problem first.

As with so many aspects of their life, I suspect the readership have rather conflated the knowledge and skills of an entire generation with those they possess themselves, and would be handed their arses.
 
By Boiler
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MisterMuncher wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:39 pm
"I don't know, and I don't want to know".
I tried that with UHD and its implementation within an IP environment. I was doing well until a friend of mine got me researching the chipsets for IEEE-1588 (Precision Time Protocol) and before long I was starting to understand what goes on in this brave new world for TV distribution.

Bollocks...
 
By MisterMuncher
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No harm in that.

What bothers me is the pride they're taking here is on an act so inconsequential and utterly obsolete. They're not fixing cars, or restoring electronics, renovating houses etc. They're proud of their skill using an entirely obsolete bit of kit that won't even fucking work anymore.
 
By Boiler
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MisterMuncher wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:05 pm
No harm in that.

What bothers me is the pride they're taking here is on an act so inconsequential and utterly obsolete. They're not fixing cars, or restoring electronics, renovating houses etc. They're proud of their skill using an entirely obsolete bit of kit that won't even fucking work anymore.
Errrr.... mine do, even without a 'Rotatone' fitted. One advantage of BT conventional (i.e. not FTTC) broadband. However, I do have a tone-dialling phone for the inevitable "press 1 for" scenarios.
 
By Boiler
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A true story; my late mother was very proud of the fact that she could set a VCR, more so than her sister "who went to typing school".

And I was quietly very proud of the fact that not only could she pick up how to set any VCR put in front of her - say, if the main one went wrong or when she bought a new one - but just before her death I was teaching her how to buy greetings cards with Moonpig and we were considering venturing into online grocery shopping, with the aid of a secondhand Mac laptop I'd bought. I was looking forward to giving her a Panasonic hard drive recorder for Christmas as I knew she'd love the idea of being able to watch something whilst something else was recording, but events overtook us.

She once told me she got up late at night just to watch her MSF clock reset itself.
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By randomelement
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Boiler wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:46 pm
MisterMuncher wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:05 pm
No harm in that.

What bothers me is the pride they're taking here is on an act so inconsequential and utterly obsolete. They're not fixing cars, or restoring electronics, renovating houses etc. They're proud of their skill using an entirely obsolete bit of kit that won't even fucking work anymore.
Errrr.... mine do, even without a 'Rotatone' fitted. One advantage of BT conventional (i.e. not FTTC) broadband. However, I do have a tone-dialling phone for the inevitable "press 1 for" scenarios.
It's easy to fairly convert an old BT rotary phone to work with FTTC. Move a couple of the connectors around and add a resistor. I did the one I have a couple of years ago, I can't remember exactly what I did, but I found a website that gave instructions.
Anyway I did outdial once, but use it often for inbound calls
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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"You young people! Always on your phones wasting time playing games."
"Actually, I'm on Wikipedia, looking up Dunning Kruger."


This after long discussion with grand-daughter about her anger at having her access to information taken away when she goes to bed in case she uses it.
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By Boiler
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randomelement wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:08 pm
Boiler wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:46 pm
MisterMuncher wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:05 pm
No harm in that.

What bothers me is the pride they're taking here is on an act so inconsequential and utterly obsolete. They're not fixing cars, or restoring electronics, renovating houses etc. They're proud of their skill using an entirely obsolete bit of kit that won't even fucking work anymore.
Errrr.... mine do, even without a 'Rotatone' fitted. One advantage of BT conventional (i.e. not FTTC) broadband. However, I do have a tone-dialling phone for the inevitable "press 1 for" scenarios.
It's easy to fairly convert an old BT rotary phone to work with FTTC. Move a couple of the connectors around and add a resistor. I did the one I have a couple of years ago, I can't remember exactly what I did, but I found a website that gave instructions.
Anyway I did outdial once, but use it often for inbound calls
I get that for bringing the REN down to 1 by adding a 3k resistor in series with the bell, but I can't see how it would work with a system that doesn't theoretically support LD dialling? I had a blue 706 I converted to work during the unfortunate period I was with TalkTalk who only supported tone dialling but once I went back to BT it was unnecessary.
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