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By new puritan
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Never understood this argument that flat taxes would suddenly eliminate tax avoidance. The rich are paying next to nothing as it is. Why would they then want to pay an income tax rate of, say, 20 or 25% just because it was a flat rate? I actually think a lot of this UK Uncut stuff is wide of the mark - the global mobility of capital is the real issue; that's why it's near-impossible to tax - but the arguments for a flat tax are incoherent. Obviously, the people pushing these arguments aren't really bothered, of course. Even Letwin admitted in the leaked audio clip that flat taxes would amount to a massive short-to-medium term fiscal drain on the state and that any long-term returns would be uncertain.
By Gentlefish
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new puritan wrote:Never understood this argument that flat taxes would suddenly eliminate tax avoidance. The rich are paying next to nothing as it is. Why would they then want to pay an income tax rate of, say, 20 or 25% just because it was a flat rate? I actually think a lot of this UK Uncut stuff is wide of the mark - the global mobility of capital is the real issue; that's why it's near-impossible to tax - but the arguments for a flat tax are incoherent. Obviously, the people pushing these arguments aren't really bothered, of course. Even Letwin admitted in the leaked audio clip that flat taxes would amount to a massive short-to-medium term fiscal drain on the state and that any long-term returns would be uncertain.
Because Dan is doing his usual thing of seeing the world solely through his own ideology rather than stopping and thinking for a second. He also seems to think that every member of the superwealthy club is a jolly decent chap underneath. Oh yes, he admits that right now they are diddling the system and keeping all their money, but if we just had a simple system headed by Dan then they would all gleefully fall in line:
Daniel Hannan wrote:The rich spend less time on avoidance and more on generating wealth.
See? The poor mites just need a helping hand and then they would be back merrily helping the economy. Not like those dastardly benefit scroungers of course; they should be given a damn good thrashing or they'll never learn.
 
By youngian
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For such an ardent patriot as Hannan's his flat tax narrative is an odd one. Any state that surrenders its tax raising powers to international non-state players hasn't got much meaningful sovereignty. This is why neo-liberals like him loathe the idea of pan-european and international corporation tax co-ordination, it gives national governments powers he doesn't believe they should have.
 
By The Red Arrow
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Thursday, 31 July 2014
Dan, Dan The Flat Tax Man
Happily for all concerned, the so-called Taxpayers’ Alliance (TPA) proposed such a tax – they called it the “Single Income Tax”, as part of their pretentiously titled 2020 Tax Commission study. This was duly analysed on Zelo Street (HERE, HERE, HERE and HERE). The TPA also helpfully revealed what size the public sector would have to be as a result of their proposals.

As I noted at the time, “It is claimed that all earners will benefit from the proposals, but pensioners, who are not at present subject to National Insurance contributions – having paid in for their state pension by the time they reach age 65 – would find their tax bill increased significantly. But they wouldn’t have to pay Air Passenger Duty (APD), which the Commission would very generously abolish”.

So pensioners would have to take a hit – something Hannan has, for some reason, failed to mention. What he has also failed to mention is that the public sector would have to be scaled back in size: the TPA estimated that this allegedly “optimum” size of the state would take, at most, 35% of GDP. That is the kind of level last seen in 1939, and one significant part of the public sector was not present then.

What would be missing from this dramatically slimmer public sector can be summed up in three letters: NHS. Coincidentally, Hannan has been more than ready to prostrate himself before professional loudmouth Sean Hannity on Fox News Channel (fair and balanced my arse) to tell whoppers about the NHS and generally bad-mouth it. And no NHS means one thing for poorer peoples’ tax cuts.

Most, if not all, of those cuts that Hannan uses to tempt poorer people to support his Big Shiny New Idea would be swallowed up in health insurance premia. And, as Richard Murphy has shown on his Tax Research blog, flat tax means the better off don’t pay more – they pay a lot less. Flat taxes are promoted by the rich and their useful idiots. Which category Hannan falls in I will leave for others to decide.
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By The Red Arrow
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The antisemitic traditions of the Tory Party
By David Osler | Published: August 4, 2014

Leftwing antisemitism is anything but a new phenomenon, says Daniel Hannan. The same could be said of Hannan’s own side of the political divide

http://leftfootforward.org/2014/08/the- ... ory-party/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Ha, had forgotten (or not heard) of this.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danie ... -saturday/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The inaugural British Tea Party will take place on Saturday in my home town of Brighton, and I'll be speaking.
From 2010. That must have gone well.
By Gentlefish
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:That must have gone well.
Bless. About 300 turned up apparently: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danie ... acked-out/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My favourite bit?
Dan Hannan wrote:If you can run a tea-party in Brighton Pavilion – the constituency which the Greens are most hopeful of winning – you can run one anywhere.
Yes you can. But it won't really achieve much seeing as how the Tory vote actually dipped slightly in the election a few months later.
By new puritan
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What he also doesn't mention is that Brighton Pavilion was a safe Tory seat for years.

http://tinyurl.com/ngxja7v" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hardly a surprise that there are still a few cranky old Tories knocking about in the area.
By Gentlefish
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Hang on..... Next year's Tory candidate is a former BBC reporter? But surely the Beeb only employs bleeding-heart, benefits-scrounging, immigrant-loving liberal lefties? He must be some sort of Trojan Horse like all of the Muslims in Birmingham schools, determined to ruin the Tories by making Sayeeda Warsi the new PM or something. It's the only explanation.
 
By The Weeping Angel
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:Ha, had forgotten (or not heard) of this.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danie ... -saturday/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The inaugural British Tea Party will take place on Saturday in my home town of Brighton, and I'll be speaking.
From 2010. That must have gone well.
Isn't that now UKIP?
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