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By Boiler
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Bones McCoy wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:08 pm
Andy McDandy wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:33 pm
As a step down from regular cigarettes, they are healthier. But not as healthy as giving up entirely. Or not starting.
They're not the only nictotine replacement available.

They are the only nicotine replacement sold from op-up shops without a medical professional in sight.
Worse, I find, are people who hitherto have never smoked and have now started vaping as they think it looks cool.
 
By Boiler
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Kreuzberger wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:20 pm
Things may have changed but are teeth-destroying NRTs no longer available in Superdrug, Savers and just about every supermarket?
I remember going to fetch my mother the chewing gum from Boots, where I came to the attention of a 'Saturday girl' there who was at my school. The rest is history.
 
By Bones McCoy
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spoonman wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:02 pm
Saying that e-cigs are safer than standard cigarettes is probably true, but probably also true in the same way that you're more likely to survive a car crash that went head on into a solid concrete wall at 50mph compared to 75mph.
As comparisons go; being in the first wave at the Battle of the Somme was safer than cigarettes.

Based on the oft quoted figure that tobacco is the only industry that kills 50% of its customers.
 
By Safe_Timber_Man
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Party’s over

WE applaud Brexit Party candidates now quitting to give the Tories a clear run in Labour-held marginals. We urge scores more to follow suit.

The Sun admires Nigel Farage. But we believe he has made a potentially catastrophic miscalculation in a fit of pique, wounded by the Tories’ indifference to him. Cooler heads must prevail.

If Labour marginals are to be decided by Leave voters it is insane to split them between the Tories and Brexit Party.

Mr Farage BACKS Boris’s deal.

His stance makes no sense. We see no evidence of his party leading the Tories in any seat, nor backing his theory that he will only hurt Labour’s vote.

Some of his people now grasp the monstrous risk he is having them take. They do not want the blame for Labour sneaking through to win a seat they would otherwise have lost.

Brexit Party pride is irrelevant. Only logic matters. We will only leave the EU if Boris Johnson gets a majority.

Who wants to be the Farage candidate who cost the Tories the key seat that handed Corbyn power and destroyed Brexit?









Racists’ friends

THE Lib Dems fool no one. Of course they will install Corbyn in No10 if need be.

They deny it partly to sustain the fantasy that their leader Jo Swinson could be PM. But mainly because they want to dupe Tory Remainers into believing them a “safe” option. They’re not.

If Boris falls short the only alternative is a Labour-run coalition with the SNP and Lib-Dems. To secure her second referendum to stop Brexit, Swinson WILL back Corbyn. So will Nicola Sturgeon to get her second vote in Scotland.

So much, then, for new Lib Dems Luciana Berger and Chuka Umunna denouncing their former leader Corbyn over anti-Semitism. We don’t doubt their sincerity, but it will mean nothing.

Swinson and Sturgeon will gift power to this anti-Western terrorist sympathiser, the most reviled political leader in UK history, and his racist party which has the Jewish community living in fear.

It will be a morally bankrupt betrayal neither would deserve to recover from.

And Tory Remainers who vote Lib Dem will have knowingly inflicted it on Britain and British Jews.








Boris bonus

THE day after the 2016 referendum The Sun demanded a huge injection of funds into “left-behind” towns. We are delighted Boris Johnson has found the money for it.

It’s been too long coming. And the investment — to revive High Streets and save shops, pubs and post offices — is not yet the billions we wanted.

But it is a much-needed start.

If those towns reward Boris with his majority, he must not let them down.








I noticed The Sun keeps referring to Labour's 'free broadband' as an 'election bribe'.

I'm guessing the difference between an 'election bribe' and an 'election promise' is solely down to who's saying it?
 
By Kreuzberger
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spoonman wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:02 pm
Saying that e-cigs are safer than standard cigarettes is probably true, but probably also true in the same way that you're more likely to survive a car crash that went head on into a solid concrete wall at 50mph compared to 75mph.
Yebbut, these oft quoted 14 deaths per annum in the U.S. are probably fewer than the total number of fatalities incurred through driving to or from the gun shop.

The vape / Rothman's debate is, by any reasonable measure, a bit silly.
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By youngian
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The Sun even manages to lie about its own anniversary date which is marking Murdoch's relaunch. None of its original modest aims survived the Murdoch makeover. Apart from the technology one. Automation is good for sacking union workers and providing innovative ways to distribute titty pics. The Sun at least spares us the Mail's ranting about the evils of new fangled technological and modern life.
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By Safe_Timber_Man
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The Sun appear to believe Harry and Meghan flying on a private jet is on equal footing with Prince Andrew being mates with a convicted paedophile and doing fuck knows what during his visits to said paedophile...

THE SUN SAYS The Queen must get a grip before Prince Andrew torches the future of the Firm

PRINCE Andrew’s staggering self-destruction on TV has exposed a Royal Family driving off a cliff with no one at the wheel.

It seems unfair to urge the Queen, at 93 and after an exemplary 67-year reign, to take back control but she must.

Her supposedly favourite son, his image in shreds, now faces the further humiliation of being grilled by the FBI over his paedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein.

Andrew’s excuses were paper-thin, his denials ambiguous. He showed no empathy for Epstein’s victims and even tried to elicit pity for his own mental health.

Under the deluded misapprehension that he could clear the air and blithely plod on with his meagre duties, he managed to shame the family and make a bad situation infinitely worse.

Meanwhile his nephew Harry is freelancing almost equally recklessly.

He squandered all goodwill towards him and wife Meghan by hectoring us about our carbon footprint while globe-trotting in private jets and by fundamentally misunderstanding the contract between Royals and the paying public.

His war on the Press, partly for daring to point this out, is deranged.

The Princes are torching the Royals’ image, beyond Palace control. Public affection for the institution is in peril.

The Queen must get a grip on the entire family before damage is irreparable.









No contest

WHAT a charade yesterday as the CBI auditioned the Tories and Labour to judge which will be better for business.

Let’s see. Boris Johnson would freeze corporation tax at almost the lowest level in Europe, slash rates for smaller firms and unleash investment by sorting Brexit immediately.

Labour would nationalise industries with minimal compensation, dramatically hike corporation tax and swipe ten per cent of every large firm. Its Brexit chaos would guarantee more crippling uncertainty and investor flight.

Yes, Labour backs Remain, like the CBI.

But any sane person knows which party will nurture business and job-creation and which would destroy both.











Get serious, PM

BORIS Johnson will make a terrible ­mistake in tonight’s TV showdown if he fails to take Corbyn seriously.

There is much about Labour’s leader to mock. But Corbyn is no joke. He is a danger to our security and economy.

Boris must project his famous optimism and the determination to see Brexit through, bring Britain together and revive “left-behind” communities.

But he must be forensic, too, in ­dismantling Corbyn’s Marxist insanity.

A blizzard of witty one-liners won’t wash. He is a far more credible PM than Corbyn — but he must prove it.
 
By Bones McCoy
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Maybe there's more to business than a headline tax rate.
Stuff like reliable infrastructure, and educated populace and a lack of trade barriers.

But what do I know compared to the very smart people at the Sun and Boris "Fuck Business" Johnson.
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By Safe_Timber_Man
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I think The Sun are hoping their readers didn't watch the debate because their version of events is questionable, to say the least.

The audience openly jeered his woeful inability to say if he would back Leave or Remain at the second referendum
The audience jeered and laughed at Boris as well, possibly even more so than Corbyn. Especially when Boris kept trying to shoehorn Brexit into every answer.



Boris nailed Labour’s lies about the Tories “selling the NHS” to Donald Trump, with a crystal clear assurance.
"Nailed" it? By just saying it isn't true? He also made "crystal clear assurances" there would be no Irish boarder.



Corbyn was then mocked again when he claimed imposing a four-day week on all workers, including in the NHS, would magically increase productivity.
Mocked by who? Boris? Weak.



And, staggeringly, he even blustered over whether he considered keeping the UK together important. He isn’t sure.
Accusing CORBYN of bluster?! Joseph Goebbels would be proud of that one...


They then start floundering and pretty much conceed Boris didn't in fact win the debate and then try and blame the host and ITV format. So, all in all, a complete and utter bollocks write-up of the debate.


Prime time TV

IS anyone still in doubt why Boris Johnson enjoys such a poll lead as “best Prime Minister” over Jeremy Corbyn?

The Labour leader’s confidence before last night’s TV debate was misplaced.

The audience openly jeered his woeful inability to say if he would back Leave or Remain at the second referendum with which he intends to betray 17.4million people. He literally has no position on the biggest national issue since 1945.

Boris nailed Labour’s lies about the Tories “selling the NHS” to Donald Trump, with a crystal clear assurance.

Corbyn was then mocked again when he claimed imposing a four-day week on all workers, including in the NHS, would magically increase productivity.

And, staggeringly, he even blustered over whether he considered keeping the UK together important. He isn’t sure.

This first debate shone little light. Neither leader could utter more than a frantic soundbite before being shut down by the host.

A “quickfire” round then made answers even more farcical. ITV’s format was absurd.

If Boris fell flat, it was with his fixation with turning every question to Brexit. He must give more of his vision for our future and widen the attacks on Corbyn.

There is so much more to go at.
 
By spoonman
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It's not as if the idea of a four day working week is exactly new - I remember it being discussed over a decade ago in terms of not reducing the actual amount of hours a worker would put in that week, but instead of 7.5 hours x 5 = 37.5 hours, it was thought more along the lines of a 9 to 10 hour working day, four days a week e.g. 9.5 hours x 4 = 38 hours. There's pros and cons to it all, but they worth debating. And that on its own doesn't detract from a possible working week hour reduction to 30 hours if it was thought to be viable - what matters isn't so much the hours worked, but the productivity.
 
By cycloon
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spoonman wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:26 pm
It's not as if the idea of a four day working week is exactly new - I remember it being discussed over a decade ago in terms of not reducing the actual amount of hours a worker would put in that week, but instead of 7.5 hours x 5 = 37.5 hours, it was thought more along the lines of a 9 to 10 hour working day, four days a week e.g. 9.5 hours x 4 = 38 hours. There's pros and cons to it all, but they worth debating. And that on its own doesn't detract from a possible working week hour reduction to 30 hours if it was thought to be viable - what matters isn't so much the hours worked, but the productivity.
But it's Common Sense isn't it: the more hours the more productivity! The numbers get BIGGER so it must be true!!!
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