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By Boiler
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The Red Arrow wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:15 pm
I'll wager that the Irish edition of the S*n tells a different tale.
https://www.thesun.ie/news/4397825/leo- ... n-ireland/

https://www.thesun.ie/who/leo-varadkar/

Just one bit picked out of a string of articles:
Meanwhile, Agriculture minister Michael Creed speaking about Johnson after a Cabinet meeting in Donegal this morning said: “The makeup of his government seems to be a mirror image of his own viewpoint substantially and obviously that would be of concern to us.
 
By spoonman
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It's cute to see S*n journalists** trying to pretend they know the nuances of Irish politics, bless them. Kavanagh & company probably still think that Varadkar's stance on the backstop is because he's appeasing Sinn Fein. :roll:




**not necessarily those writing for the Irish version... and maybe the Scottish one as well.
 
By MisterMuncher
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That's in the post. And not to put too fine a point on it, I called it months ago.

It's getting aired in certain quarters. Also, a grand, fine myth that there wasn't really ever a hard border, and any semblance of one you might recall or have pictures and evidence of was entirely because the Ra. Hoey was giving it a lash on her little field trip with Jim Allister this week.
 
By Safe_Timber_Man
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Continuing to pave the way for their "It's not our fault. Blame the EU" narrative when things go to shit:



THE SUN SAYS If Boris Johnson leaves the EU without a Brexit deal — it won’t be for our lack of trying

YOU’D hope Brussels realises it by now — Britain isn’t bluffing about a clean-break Brexit.

And across the rest of the Continent it’s surely starting to dawn that unless they give EU negotiator Michel Barnier more flexibility, then we will be leaving without a deal.

So Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay is right to tell Merkel, Macron and the EU’s 25 other national leaders to give Brussels the instruction it needs: get rid of the backstop, and show some imagination.

The public have already rejected Brussels’ hard-line, federalist nonsense out of hand in the European elections, and sent a clear message that they weren’t going to be bullied by centralising bureaucrats.

Europe can demonstrate it’s changed by working with Britain on a deal that works in the interests of both sides and can get through Parliaments in London and in Brussels. But will it?

The risk is that the true believers will once again choose their principles of ever-closer union over pragmatism, no matter the economic cost.

To those pen-pushers the Project — a United Europe — is all that matters. That’s one of the main reasons we left. And why, although it may be a bumpy ride, we’re still sure we’re better off out.

The Continent’s political leaders must step in and tell Brussels to sing a different tune.

If Britain leaves without a deal, it won’t be for our lack of trying.








Priti tough

HATS off to Priti Patel for telling criminals that she’s coming after them.

The usual leftie hand-wringers complained about the new Home Secretary’s language, but guess what? The public also want offenders to be “terrified” and they want cops to know they’ve got backing from the very top.

Mrs Patel has plenty on her plate, not least delivering a new immigration system that allows the world’s best and brightest to thrive in the UK.

But so far, she’s made a Priti good start.








Guns ’n’ posers

WE hope Hugh Grant and the other celebs who attended gun manufacturer Gaston Glock’s glitzy 90th birthday bash in the Alps had a wonderful time.

It would have been a shame for all that champagne to go to waste, after all.

Cynics might suggest that it looks a bit hypocritical for Hollywood stars to enjoy an arms manufacturer’s hospitality when they have, in the past, told us all how awful they feel about the latest mass shooting in the States.

The sheer scale of America’s gun epidemic is staggering, and more innocent lives were lost this weekend.

Those turning a blind eye should look a little harder.
 
By youngian
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THE SUN SAYS If Boris Johnson leaves the EU without a Brexit deal — it won’t be for our lack of trying

YOU’D hope Brussels realises it by now — Britain isn’t bluffing about a clean-break Brexit.
They do that's why the EU began No Deal contingencies three years ago.
The risk is that the true believers will once again choose their principles of ever-closer union over pragmatism, no matter the economic cost.

To those pen-pushers the Project — a United Europe — is all that matters. That’s one of the main reasons we left. And why, although it may be a bumpy ride, we’re still sure we’re better off out.
Yes peace and security of member states takes priority over mercantilism. The two usually benefit each other but the EU is not dealing with a rational player but Brexit UK. Its almost sad how little the Sun has learned about who they're negotiating with or what their motivations are. All the Sun's usual bluster has deflated.
 
By bluebellnutter
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You also have to wonder whether someone who has to keep saying "we're not bluffing" but is seemingly doing very little practically to suggest they aren't bluffing actually isn't bluffing.
 
By KevS
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I can't help but wonder if, on the morning of 24 June 2016, the EU had said "Right. Fair enough. See ya." and kicked our sorry ass to the kerb there and then, how much rejoicing there would have been at no deal?
By satnav
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They are clearly getting desperate at 'The Sun' because they have taken Trevor Kavanagh out of the freezer and defrosted him so he can pen his second deluded rant in five days.
Boris Johnson will make EU chiefs bite dust by driving Brexit over the Halloween deadline
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9653476/b ... -deadline/
A NOVEMBER Brexit election is now nailed on. It will be staged immediately after Boris Johnson leads Britain out of the European Union forever on October 31.

And the ragbag rainbow alliance of Remainers can do nothing to stop it — even with the devious help of Commons Speaker John Bercow. An unlikely EU surrender is the only other option.
Trevor must have seen some polls that no body else has seen.
Any rebel move to bring down the Government with a no-confidence vote will backfire. Boris would dissolve Parliament, set a date for the election and drive Brexit over the Halloween deadline.

He will offer a choice between politicians who reject the British public’s clearly expressed instructions — and those determined to honour them.

Polls suggest Boris Johnson would win a decent majority, bury Remain and scare the wits out of the European Union.

The valiant but no longer viable Brexit Party will be out of business.

Tory MPs who defy the 2016 referendum and join a no-confidence vote against their own government will be ruthlessly “purged”.

“We will crush them” a Downing Street war room insider insisted last night.
BREXIT SUPPORT HARDENING
Leaden-footed EU mandarins have no idea how to deal with this alarming turn of events. They are used to twisting Theresa May around their little finger.

Now they are faced with Bulldog Boris and Samurai warrior Dominic Cummings — Downing Street’s “Alastair Campbell with brains”.

Twenty-seven member states, tamely corralled by Berlin and Brussels, seem to prefer mass hara-kiri to a mutually agreeable deal with the UK.

The price they will pay, as we keep most of the £39billion pay-off and our £15billion a year membership fee, is the slow death of ever-closer union and dreams of a country called Europe.

The Tories may have lost last week’s Brecon by-election, but the result shows support for Brexit is hardening.

The combined Tory/Brexit vote (even without counting Ukip) won more than the stitched-together Remain alliance and Labour put together.

A new ORB poll yesterday reveals a big Boris bounce which can only get bigger.

It showed almost half (46 per cent) want Britain to leave without a deal unless Brussels (caves in) sees sense.
THE CLOCK IS TICKING
It is now clear the EU has misread Britain’s new PM. This is not the dithering BoJo who, in 2016, balked at the final hurdle.

Theresa May’s three miserable years have taught us how NOT to negotiate with the EU.

In fact, we have stopped negotiating altogether.

Boris will not meet any EU leader unless they scrap the tyrannical Northern Ireland backstop. Full stop.

Brussels shows no sign of doing so, which is very stupid indeed.

So Boris Johnson will carry on blaming their intransigence and announcing vote-winning boosts for the economy, tax, the NHS, crime and punishment and social welfare.

The clock, as Brussels negotiator Michel Barnier likes to say, is ticking. But now it ticks for them.

Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn, whose party is disintegrating beneath his feet, might risk a motion of no confidence — backed by deluded Tory MPs such as Philip Hammond. It would be his last act as leader.

Nothing can now stop Brexit except a new law cancelling the October 31 deadline — a deadline backed by ALL parties and BOTH Houses of Parliament.

Once the Farage insurgency is neutralised, it is hard to see anything but a surge of support for a Boris-led government determined to put Brexit to bed at last.

Corbyn’s Marxist rabble would be cast into the dustbin, leaving a rump of pro-EU parties to mop up after.

“The battle lines will be between a Parliament that thinks it knows best and the people they dismiss as stupid racists,” says a Boris ally.

“It will pitch MPs who think THEY can choose which votes to honour and a government which insists the people have spoken.

“Which side will those voters support?”
 
By youngian
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Nothing can now stop Brexit except a new law cancelling the October 31 deadline — a deadline backed by ALL parties and BOTH Houses of Parliament.


This is probably unchartered waters but a request from a majority in a legislator to put the clock back would have to be seen by EU27 as legitimate even if they aren't the executive. How tempting to grant the request in order to destroy Johnson's premiership. What's Bozo going to do; Challenge its legitimacy in the ECJ?
 
By youngian
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Labour’s Jeremy Corbyn, whose party is disintegrating beneath his feet, might risk a motion of no confidence — backed by deluded Tory MPs such as Philip Hammond. It would be his last act as leader.

Much as I would love to believe that about Corbyn its bollocks. Turbocharged bollocks.
 
By Bones McCoy
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youngian wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:18 pm
Quashing Brexit will always be the bigger prize for the EU. Most countries agree that they need the UK run by sane people in the EU as a power balancer.
the UK run by sane people

A very different UK to the one in this universe.
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By Safe_Timber_Man
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More inane ranting at "Remoaners" and a rare attack on Keir Starmer.





THE SUN SAYS Hypocritical Remainer MPs are wrong to insist BoJo plays by the rules

JUST listen to the rank hypocrisy of Remainer MPs, now aghast that Boris Johnson might force Brexit through even if he loses a no-confidence vote.

Constitutional experts reckon he would be within his rights to stay put and hold an election AFTER Brexit day.

Remainer saboteurs are outraged. Tory robot Dominic Grieve pops up from his luxurious French holiday home and, with a staggering lack of self-awareness, accuses No10 of “arrogance”.

But most of these same MPs got elected under false pretences, lying about respecting the referendum result.

They then used every dodgy Parliamentary trick, getting their pet Speaker Bercow to invent or bend rules, hoping to secure a second referendum. They have more chicanery lined up — yet have the gall to insist Boris plays by the rules.

Our PM has a majority of just one. But he has a 17.4million majority on his side. All power to him.




Keir? Hardly

THE Remainers’ latest ruse is to install a cross-party pro-EU Government. How?

Where’s their majority? Who’ll be PM?

Corbyn, the secret Brexiteer loathed by all? Jo Swinson, of the Lib Dems, hated by Labour and many Tories?

Heidi Allen, the noted nitwit? Maybe the hopeless fop Keir Starmer? Would Corbyn stand aside for his vain underling? It’s all vanishingly unlikely.

But imagine the election afterwards: the Tories, championing Leavers plus Remainers who value democracy, versus parties that ­conspired to defy the people.

Best of luck with that, Remoaners.




Our tax peril

THE rich should, and do, pay the most tax.

But there is a danger in having the top one per cent, 301,000 high-fliers, pay 27 per cent of all income tax while a record 43 per cent of all adults pay none.

It’s not just that people who don’t pay for our public services are bound to like the idea of limitless spending on them.

It’s that our highest earners have never been more mobile. New wealth taxes, championed by Labour, would trigger a plunge in revenue as they fled. We would ALL then face higher taxes.

The Tories have rightly exempted huge numbers of the low-paid from income tax. But that has created an imbalance. In the wrong hands it could cost us dear.
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