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By The Weeping Angel
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Lord Freud was only making a statement of the obvious in saying that some disabled people could not produce work justifying the minimum wage. Refusing to acknowledge this means refusing to address the problem of how to maximise independence on the part of those who want to work despite disability.
No Anne what Lord Freud said was it is ok to pay disabled people below the national minimum wage, the NATIONAL MINIMUM wage purely because their disabled.
By Andy McDandy
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satnav wrote:Seasonal goodwill from Ann Widdecombe

Bah humbug! Another politically correct year, another chip at our British way of life
I hope the festivities are not too demanding, if that is possible these days, and that you have fun with your families. As I look back over the year I come to the "unmerry" conclusion that it has been a happy one for political correctness and a sad one for freedom and rational debate. So in a spirit of bah humbug to all who curtail liberty of opinion here is my round-up of what we should be able to say but could not in 2014.

Baroness Jenkin was perfectly in order to refer to "the poor". After all nobody objects when you refer to "the rich". Both terms are descriptive and cannot in themselves be automatically pejorative.

Lord Freud was only making a statement of the obvious in saying that some disabled people could not produce work justifying the minimum wage. Refusing to acknowledge this means refusing to address the problem of how to maximise independence on the part of those who want to work despite disability.

It is absolutely true that there are parts of the country which are flooded with immigrants. When I said this in 2001 I was called a racist and even now when immigration is at last able to be debated there is a resistance to the perfectly accurate use of "flooded" or "swamped".

There is no law against saying you do not believe in the validity of gay marriage but if you do say it you may find yourself deemed unfit to foster or even volunteer for the Red Cross.

It is simple common sense that there is an enormous difference between the experience of a woman who is pounced upon by a stranger and raped and that of one who gets drunk, goes home with a man and then gets into bed with him before shrieking rape the next morning. It is not justifying the crime but recognising her share of responsibility for the circumstances yet Judy Finnigan was reviled for calling a rape "non-violent". It is also inequitable that a man can be falsely accused, named and pilloried while his accuser is protected with anonymity, as the president of the Oxford Union found out. Saying it is time for a level playing field is not betraying women.

The one prediction I can make for 2015 with confidence is that far from rolling back the cancer of suppression the year will almost certainly see it advance even further into the British way of life. Sentences beginning apologetically with, "You're not supposed to say this these days but..." will be heard more often and sound even lamer.
No Anne, let's take this one a step at a time. Or something.

On a lot of your points, all I can say is 'kicking up (or out) vs kicking down'. That's all.

Two, 'flooded and swamped'. Yeah, reduce people to the level of mud. Still doesn't explain why racism (because that's what it is) is most prevalent in the least mixed up areas.

Gay marriage - re-secularisation of a property deal appropriated by religion. I could go on, but hey, it's Christmas. Could say something about hate crimes and the likelihood of offenders to be committing other crimes, but you wouldn't like it, Anne.

Rape: you know, I'll strike a deal here. The day I start blaming the laydeez for dressing like they were asking for it, I'll start blaming the men's dicks for not staying in their pants. And the hands - oh, the hands! - for taking down the zips or undoing the buttons. Because we're all slaves to nature and none of us could help ourselves...oh fuck off Widdy, even the Victorians recognised it for the bullshit it was.

You know why you've got a voice, a public profile? Because you're a figure of fun. You're not taken seriously, you never were. Your flirtation with government was, to paraphrase Malcolm Tucker, like when that guy started presenting the Big Breakfast. Not Evans, not Roslin, not Johnny fucking Vaughn. The other one. Yeah. The moment 'shit out of ideas' takes physical form. 'The medium is the message'? You fucking embody it.

You cunt.
By satnav
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Another day another cunt. Step forward Leo McKinstry

Even at Christmas our national faith is under attack
IN 1647 Oliver Cromwell’s Puritans issued a decree through Parliament banning the celebration of Christmas on the grounds it was a “Popish festival” that promoted extravagance, disorder, Scrooge had nothing on this lot.
In place of the usual merri­ment spread over 12 days the Cromwellian zealots declared that there should be a single day of fasting and prayer.

Only the restoration of Charles II to the throne in 1660 saw the return of proper festivities to England, complete with feasting, drinking, presents and decorations.

But now, more than three centuries later, the impulse towards an authoritarian disapproval of Christmas is reawakening. Today there are elements in the politically correct brigade who itch to follow Cromwell’s example.

Across our civic life pro­gressive campaigners seek to denigrate and marginalise Christmas. Filled with snobbish disdain for their own national culture they see Christmas as another outdated institution that has to be undermined.

To achieve this they pretend that, as a religious event it is offensive because it fails to encourage the social inclusion of non­ believers and religious minori­ties beyond Christianity.

So according to these self­ appointed warriors for cultural change by far the most impor­tant single moment in the his­tory of Western civilisation – the birth of Jesus Christ – should be treated as an irrelevance for fear of offending certain cul­tural sensitivities.

In the name of tolerance, there is paradoxi­cally little tolerance for the great religious force that helped to shape our society.

Instead of helping ease tension in the city, Winterfest is creating a big problem
Roger Ibbs
ThIS creeping institu­tionalised antipathy towards the traditional Christian Christmas has been going on for years, epitomised by the notorious move in 1997 by Birmingham City Council to use the name Winterval as the collective title for its festivities, several of which incorporated other faiths.

Despite the huge public outcry this pattern is, if anything, intensifying.

In Stoke-­on-­Trent this year the council has called the Christmas season “Winterfest”, much to the disgust of local Conservative leader Roger Ibbs who said last week: “Instead of helping ease tension in the city, Winterfest is creating a big problem.”

Indeed, most local authorities now seem terrified of any explicit Christian refer­ences at all during this festive period. One survey of the cards sent out by 182 town halls across the United Kingdom found that only one of them, from Banbridge in northern Ireland, actually mentioned the birth of Christ.

It is the same sorry tale in primary education. One recent survey of 2,000 parents by the website netmums reported that just a third of schools now put on Christian nativity plays.

In some places the religious fig­ures of the great Christmas narrative have been edged out by such characters as Elvis Presley, spacemen, aliens, foot­ballers and punk fairies, while other schools have opted for “winter celebrations” or just pop concerts.
Due to the craven distrust of Christianity, today’s genera­tions of children are being denied a vital part of our spir­itual heritage.

The hostile offi­cial attitude was highlighted in an internal memo last month from the Department of Energy and Climate Change to staff reminding them that they worked for “an organisation of multi-­faiths and agnostics serv­ing a community of the same” they should “think Season’s greetings rather than Merry Christmas” in the “interests of inclusion”.

Those words perfectly encap­sulate all the exhibitionist mas­ ochism that lie at heart of the public sector’s neurosis over multicultural diversity, where policy­makers and campaign­ers try to parade their progres­sive credentials by trashing the identity, history and ethics of their own country.

Yet the fashionable belief that there is potentially some­thing “offensive” about Christ­mas could hardly be more gro­tesque. Only an unbalanced political obsessive or misan­thrope could possibly see the account of Christ’s birth as an instrument for social exclusion or cultural oppression.

There is nothing remotely provocative about it. What could possibly be seen as offensive in the wonderful tale of how God brought his only son into the world, an act of generosity?

Moreover, it is not a story of earthly power or wealth or conquest but pre­cisely the opposite. All its most compelling features emphasise the humility of Christ’s back­ground feeding the message that we are all created equal.

Christianity has played the central role in building Britain.

From literature to music, from our legal system to architec­ture, our society has been moulded by the aesthetics and morality of the Christian faith.

That is why the progressive war on our national religion is such a tragedy. We are in real danger of losing something very precious. The same climate that has led to the cultural assault on Christmas has also brought bans on crucifixes, Bibles and public prayers.

There are tremendous dou­ble standards at work here. For those who claim that Christian­ ity is a threat to social inclusion are the same ideologues who bend over backwards to accom­modate other faiths.

In their world all religions must be wel­comed except the one which inspired the greatness and gen­ tleness of our civilisation.
By satnav
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So according to Leo
This creeping institu­tionalised antipathy towards the traditional Christian Christmas has been going on for years, epitomised by the notorious move in 1997 by Birmingham City Council to use the name Winterval as the collective title for its festivities, several of which incorporated other faiths.
And now it's reached as far a Stoke on Trent. At that rate I think Christmas should be safe in Chesterfield for at least another 20 years.
 
By Bones McCoy
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The Red Arrow wrote:What a pair of self-important embarrassments. They certainly don't speak for me.
The "My hobby is special and deserves extra support".

It's basically a rehash of the golf fans whining because they didn't automatically get "Sports Personality of the year".
 
By Kreuzberger
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Bones McCoy wrote:I wonder how Leo's pals at the CBI would react to 12 mandatory holidays for Christmas.
Add to that, a key reason why these municipalities and local authorities try to extend this period with events and happenings is to draw people in to their towns so as to support local businesses beyond one hectic weekend of shopping.

Oh, and Leo is a reactionary twat.
 
By The Weeping Angel
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satnav wrote:So according to Leo
This creeping institu­tionalised antipathy towards the traditional Christian Christmas has been going on for years, epitomised by the notorious move in 1997 by Birmingham City Council to use the name Winterval as the collective title for its festivities, several of which incorporated other faiths.
And now it's reached as far a Stoke on Trent. At that rate I think Christmas should be safe in Chesterfield for at least another 20 years.
That would explain why when I was in Birmingham recently I saw Happy Christmas in big lights on the town hall whilst attending the German Christmas market.
By Agnes
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That twat McKinstry wrote:In place of the usual merri­ment spread over 12 days the Cromwellian zealots declared that there should be a single day of fasting and prayer.
I think I remember Richard Dawkins saying something similar last year... No?
By Andy McDandy
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And when it comes to important dates in the history of western civilisation, I'd rank the Mongol retreat from Poland, the invention of the printing press, the sack of Constantinople, the Black Death, and the death of Christ to be slightly more important...
By Esqui
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Might have known Leo McKinstry would have something to say about the Charlie Hebdo attacks.... http://www.express.co.uk/comment/column ... eat-Europe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In short, first part: Muslim extremists are bad, free speech is good.
Second part: MUSLIMS ARE TAKING OVER OUR COUNTRY!!!111!
The very rulers now wringing their hands over the Charlie Hebdo atrocity are the same traitors who have eagerly promoted the systematic import of Islam from Asia, Africa and the Middle East through mass immigration and the destruction of our borders.
Twatface.

And the dogs come to the whistle...
scampy9 minutes ago
Referendum on returning muslim immigrants to islamic hell holes of origin?
Camoron like Tony the phony Blair and Gordon the clown Brown is a weak leader who cannot put these vermin in their place?
No country in EU wants these uncivilized dogs so let us have referendum?
Latin14 minutes ago
Trouble is they have the highest birth rate ,and now so many of them are born here.
It's the plan to take us over .
Merkal and Blair, Brown, Milliband ,Balls, Cooper , Clegg,Cammeron and all serving MPs and all Euro MP s are all part of the traitors leading to the eradication of the white Man.
They will not stop immigration and close our borders ,as that goes against the master plan of the corrupt EU which Merkil is head of,we will continue to do as Germany tells us until the UK is no more,and not one of the above will be arrested and tried for treason.
We need out of the corrupt EU and its properganda and lies ,we need out TODAY ,we need to take back control and quickly sort the dying UK ,it will tKe all our strength and courage but it has to happen,and it won't come from voting LibLabCon in May!
 
By Killer Whale
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You only have to look at the comments on any newspaper web site to see how quickly the conversation turns from "this is inexcusable extremism and we need to oppose it at every turn" to "send all the muslims back and then bomb them". McKinstry's just short-cutting the process.
By mr angry manchester
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Of all the shit spouted by the Daily Express, and there is a LOT, I think McKinstry is the worst of the lot. Hes so predictable, the same old tired clichés, you know unions running the country, back to the 70s and so on and so on. (I was a teenager in the 70s, it was the best ever time to be one!)

Hes also just such a miserable bastard too, hes not even entertainingly stupid with it, all he ever does is blame Labour for absolutely everything, he would probably try and blame them if the weather was bad, or for the fact that Leicester City have never won the FA Cup. Hes a complete and utter arse, the nearest possible real life equivalent of Alf Garnett, but less intelligent or charming
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