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By youngian
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Isn't he dragging us back to the Thatcher/Major years when energy price caps were still operating?
When the state of California tried to fix energy prices in 2001, the result was a wave of shortages and blackouts. Lifts ground to a halt with passengers inside, while parents packed their children off to school with blankets to keep them warm.

Britain’s history of price controls, meanwhile, is nothing short of disastrous. The controls of the mid-Seventies, which involved gigantic Pay Boards and Price Commissions that seemed like something from a Soviet tractor co-operative, proved a big economic failure.
California Enron energy fraud was a result of state price fixing? Sandbrook is a fucking moron.

Another interesting electricity utility story from the US we won't hear from Sandbrook

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200 ... _the_banks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
By Bones McCoy
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Safe_Timber_Man wrote:Miliband's Marxist father and the real reason he wants to drag us back to the nightmare 70s


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... e-70s.html

It just comes across as if they're shitting themselves, to be honest. The smearing is getting quite comical.

Unless energy prices rise above inflation, the Queen has to have sex with Arthur Scargill. etc etc etc.
By new puritan
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Safe_Timber_Man wrote:Miliband's Marxist father and the real reason he wants to drag us back to the nightmare 70s


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... e-70s.html

It just comes across as if they're shitting themselves, to be honest. The smearing is getting quite comical.
This comment dismantles Sandbrook in three sentences:
Zond, Winchester, 2 days ago
...You know Marxism isn’t about "state intervention in the economy", right? Marx defined communism as a ’stateless, classless society’. You’re thinking about social democracy, social liberalism...actually scratch that; *any* economic system under capitalism relies upon...the government even neoliberalism (trolololol).
Part of the reason I find myself being drawn towards Marxism is that its critics are so utterly clueless and wilfully ignorant.
By Andy McDandy
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Yes, but Sandbrook knows that his readers know what Marxism is - secret police, grey concrete buildings and tractor factories. The finer distinctions (or realities) don't really matter.
 
By Messianic Trees
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Dire stuff as usual from Sandbrook:

Red Ed's claim to be saviour of the middle classes isn't just laughable, it's beneath contempt

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z2qSo049YH" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mr Miliband may pretend that the middle-class squeeze is largely the fault of David Cameron's Government, but his disingenuous manifesto completely glosses over the fact that he was at Gordon Brown's right hand when pension values collapsed, real wages stagnated, manufacturing jobs disappeared and housing costs soared.

Despite his rather leaden rhetoric, nothing in Mr Miliband's political past suggests that he has the slightest idea of how middle-class families live and think — the aspiration to strive for betterment, earn your own money and stand on your own two feet without relying on the State.

Far from being a typical representative of the squeezed middle, the Labour leader grew up as the son of a North London university professor, moving smoothly from Oxford and Harvard to the House of Commons.

Born into a metropolitan Left-wing elite, what does he know of everyday life in Wolverhampton, Welshpool or Aberdeen? Indeed, I rather suspect that, like so many privileged, Oxbridge-educated Lefties, he regards ordinary middle-class people as rather distasteful.
I wonder what Sandbrook's background is?
Born in Bridgnorth, Shropshire, he was educated at Malvern College and studied at Balliol College, Oxford, the University of St Andrews and Jesus College, Cambridge.
Oh, well. He continues:
The truth is that Mr Miliband is probably the most Left-wing Labour leader since the days of Michael Foot. When an activist at last year's Labour Party conference asked him 'When will you bring back socialism?', his response spoke volumes. 'That's what we are doing, sir,' he said.
Ever since becoming leader in 2010, Mr Miliband has pinned his hopes on the failure of the Coalition's economic austerity, which, he thought, would condemn Britain to a permanent recession and guarantee a Labour victory in 2015.

Yet now his strategy is in ruins. Contrary to all his expectations, the economy is in recovery, while the Tories have narrowed the poll gap to just 3 per cent.

In sheer desperation, therefore, the Labour leader has had to change the record, ditching the Greatest Hits of Michael Foot for one of Tony Blair's old tunes. Perhaps, like Mr Blair, he will pull on a football shirt and start courting Mondeo Man. I hope not, though; it was bad enough the first time.

In any case, I suspect it will avail him little. The British middle classes have too much good sense to fall for such a naked attempt to curry favour with them — especially given Mr Miliband's lamentable record.

What is certainly true is that, in an age of unprecedented economic insecurity and political alienation, someone needs to speak up for Middle Britain. But Ed Miliband is simply not that man.
By new puritan
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Messianic Trees wrote:Dire stuff as usual from Sandbrook:

Red Ed's claim to be saviour of the middle classes isn't just laughable, it's beneath contempt

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... z2qSo049YH" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The truth is that Mr Miliband is probably the most Left-wing Labour leader since the days of Michael Foot. When an activist at last year's Labour Party conference asked him 'When will you bring back socialism?', his response spoke volumes. 'That's what we are doing, sir,' he said.
Miliband couldn't actually bring himself to use the dreaded S-word in that particular exchange, though. Even Blair used to use it pretty regularly in the early days of his leadership. Miliband is somewhere to the right of John Smith. A moderate social democrat, in other words.
By Agnes
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Mr Miliband may pretend that the middle-class squeeze is largely the fault of David Cameron's Government, but his disingenuous manifesto completely glosses over the fact that he was at Gordon Brown's right hand when pension values collapsed, real wages stagnated, manufacturing jobs disappeared and housing costs soared.
Ed Miliband was chancellor in 2008?
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Oh. Wow, he made the entire global economy go tits-up from the Department of Energy and Climate Change; that's quite something. How can we make him use these great powers for good, not ill?
 
By Big Arnold
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Breathtaking incompetence: It's not just the floods debacle. The people who run Britain have never been so out of touch - or inept, writes DOMINIC SANDBROOK
It starts off well, but then he loses it when he makes a comparison with 1947. See Zelo Street
Hundreds of miles of countryside were flooded, there were shortages of food and fuel, and a run on the pound led to the eventual devaluation of sterling.
Rationing was still in full effect until 1948.

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