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By The Red Arrow
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As Mr Fenton pointed out yesterday...

Wednesday, 11 June 2014
Oxfam – Tories Plead Guilty
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By youngian
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Useless crap weak EU or useless crap warmongering EU? who cares the EU is crap
MurkyFogsFuturelogs,
Swansea, United Kingdom, 21 hours ago
Well the EU, was purported to have been formed to keep peace in Europe and not War, was it not? Clearly it has failed. Engaging in an ever larger conflict in which ever more innocent people will die to get "revenge" against a third party in the recent tragedy will not fix the worlds problems, it will exacerbate them.
 
By Messianic Trees
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Even those who refuse to regard Farage as credible sympathise with voters who back Ukip as their only way of delivering a howl of protest at the political elite's failure over immigration

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By youngian
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This is Max Hasting populist rentagob rather than Max Hastings emminent wise 20th century historian. Susbstituting Britain for Germany it would be interesting to see what the latter Hasings would make of these quote if they came from Kaiser Wilhelm or demagogues in the Weimar Republic
One in every 60 Poles and one in every 30 Latvians is not in Poland or Latvia, but in Germany.

Almost all the arguments deployed by fanatical Europeans to make this seem good news are fallacious. Overwhelming evidence shows that the beneficiaries of open borders are not host countries, but immigrants.

Germans are furiously angry, because neither they nor the rest of Old Germany has ever been given a chance to endorse or veto the drastic change in our society, imposed by a monstrously arrogant political class.

But all our politicians will do well to heed the message coming from electorates across the Western world: voters are sick of being told lies on issues about which they care passionately.
Whatsmore the most eloquent advocates of open immigration (the Economist for eg) are not especially Europhile and strictly empirical rather than fanatical.

There is nothing in this article that wasn't written 15 years ago and every other day since
The fact is that the EU’s rules allowing free movement of populations can only work if there exists a rough equilibrium of economic and social conditions in all member states.
There is greater equilibrium every year just as there is between Madrid and Stockholm that the point of the EU single market as a free marketeer like Hastings should be able to explain to me.

If Hastings accepted the findings that EU freedom of movement is a good thing he could still argue that democracy is not just about the will of the majority and we should be adapting policies to answer legitimate problems in the semi-skilled labour market. He's not going to though because his tax rates and priviledges are more important than reducing food banks for example. Or any problems with rising poverty levels are a price worth the paying on balance. Except when there's an opportunity to blame foreigners.
 
By Safe_Timber_Man
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Well, this didn't take them long.

Strange that they don't seem to do this with Jenson Button, though, who also lives in Monaco. I wonder what the difference is?

Don't wrap yourself in the flag if you won't pay UK tax: MAX HASTINGS blasts Monaco-based Lewis Hamilton

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/artic ... ilton.html
NewModelMoonraker, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, 1 hour ago
May have been born in Britain, doesn't necessarily make you British in the eyes of the British
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By Safe_Timber_Man
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Killer Whale wrote:
NewModelMoonraker, Wiltshire, United Kingdom, 1 hour ago
May have been born in Britain, doesn't necessarily make you British in the eyes of racist cunts
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ftfy

Oh, yes, there's plenty of those types commenting.

That's what all this is about really, though, isn't it? He's black, wears chains and has tattoos. He is not what the Daily Mail see as a proper British F1 Champion.

What I do find interesting, though, is that when there is an article in the sports section, whether it be football or F1, the comments are often so much more reasonable and lack the racist undertones and general bile you get when there is an article in the main section. Interesting because the Mail often sees sports fans as plebs, thugs and morons, whereas the comments often show them to be tolerant, respectful and sensible compared to the typical Mailites under the news articles.

Anyway, Lewis won't give a flying fuck about what the Daily Mail think of him. As a big fan of Lewis, I'm over the moon.
By Andy McDandy
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Most sports fans are reasonable. It's basically a small number of old (and aspiring) football hooligans motivated more by hatred and jealousy, and hoorays following cricket and rugby (as an excuse for a piss-up), that give the rest the bad name. The media's habit of concentrating on this small number (for example, any England football away fixture pre-match report will be dominated by arseholes leaning and bellowing into the camera) doesn't help things.
 
By D.C. Harrison
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Safe_Timber_Man wrote:Anyway, Lewis won't give a flying fuck about what the Daily Mail think of him.
You can imagine the scene:

In his luxury apartment overlooking the Monte Carlo harbour, staring past the trophy that named him the World Champion, something was playing on Lewis Hamilton's mind. And it wasn't the recent conversation with his accountant where he found out he had more money than he could ever spend.

"What's wrong, sweetie?" asked his gorgeous pop star girlfriend, as a tear rolled down his cheek.

"It's the Daily Mail..." he said, sadly. "Max Hastings has written some nasty words about me..."

Truly, his world had caved in around him. Things would never be the same again for young Lewis...
By Andy McDandy
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There's an obligatory dig at Angelina Jolie in there. Was a certain non-recipient of any honours standing over Max's shoulder, dictating as he typed?
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