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By youngian
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davidjay wrote:
satnav wrote:I almost missed this gem from white Australian immigrant Amanda Platell
A 92-year-old woman who’s spent most of her life in the UK, and lives with her daughter off her deceased husband’s pension, is facing deportation to South Africa where she was born. Clearly she’s a burden on British society! Meanwhile, a jobless Somalian refugee family with eight children have endured the ignominy of being forced to move from a £2million council house into one worth £1.3million. I guess elderly Myrtle Cothill’s mistake is being a white South African who’s able to support herself. Let’s face it, she’s just the wrong colour to get compassion in this country.

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I can't imagine, even as little as five years ago, this sentence being written in a major national newspaper.
Now, the magnificent Tory minister Priti Patel (no relation) has emerged as a possible leader of Brexit,
I think you've just established that Amanda. Or was that some 1970s sit-com joke her readers would get?
By satnav
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Looks like more victim blaming from Platell

A grubby footballer and a very troubling question

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No one could dispute that footballer Adam Johnson is a bad man. A serial cheat and liar, he is set to serve a lengthy prison sentence for grooming and abusing a 15-year-old girl.
After such an opening you know that she is quickly going to insert a 'but' and sure enough.
But so many questions about this case remain unanswered. Yes his victim was only 15. And yes, as a 27-year-old, Johnson’s behaviour was not just illegal but morally abhorrent
And what are these questions?
The fact is, 15-year-old girls, growing up in today’s pornography-ridden world, are often already highly sexualised
Presumably when talking about young girls being sexualised she's referring to her own papers side of shame and headlines along the lines of 'Doesn't she look all grown up.' As far as I'm aware At no point in the trial did the defense try and argue that the young victim was already sexualised.
Around a third of young women in Britain today now lose their virginity before the age of 16 — and far more will have been sexually active in other ways.
Lord knows what advice their mothers are giving them about their still-young bodies; about restraint and self-respect; about waiting to meet someone they care about and, more importantly, meeting someone who cares about them
Teenage girls having sex with boys of the same age is totally different to a 27 year old man arranging to meet a young girl on the pretext of signing a shirt and then going on to sexually abusing her.

We then get this ridiculous argument.
This, don’t forget, was a footballer earning £60,000 a week. There are plenty of girls who would find that rather alluring.
Go to any nightclub that footballers frequent and you’ll find them queuing up to bag a multi-millionaire footballer
Well if rich footballers have got lots of women queuing up to have relationships with them why are they having to resort to grooming 15 year old girls who are not hanging around night clubs?

Then we get Amanda's summing up.
I have nothing but contempt for Johnson and pity for those whose lives he has ruined. But when you look at the hard facts of this case, we are entitled to wonder: was he the only one to blame?
Yes, he was guilty. But so is a society that almost seems to encourage teenage girls to behave in such a self-destructive way.
Surely the only people who have seen all the hard facts of the case are the people who have been in court through out the trial including the jury who have listened to the evidence and reached a verdict.
 
By davidjay
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satnav wrote:Looks like more victim blaming from Platell

A grubby footballer and a very troubling question

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No one could dispute that footballer Adam Johnson is a bad man. A serial cheat and liar, he is set to serve a lengthy prison sentence for grooming and abusing a 15-year-old girl.
After such an opening you know that she is quickly going to insert a 'but' and sure enough.
But so many questions about this case remain unanswered. Yes his victim was only 15. And yes, as a 27-year-old, Johnson’s behaviour was not just illegal but morally abhorrent
And what are these questions?
The fact is, 15-year-old girls, growing up in today’s pornography-ridden world, are often already highly sexualised
Presumably when talking about young girls being sexualised she's referring to her own papers side of shame and headlines along the lines of 'Doesn't she look all grown up.' As far as I'm aware At no point in the trial did the defense try and argue that the young victim was already sexualised.
Around a third of young women in Britain today now lose their virginity before the age of 16 — and far more will have been sexually active in other ways.
Lord knows what advice their mothers are giving them about their still-young bodies; about restraint and self-respect; about waiting to meet someone they care about and, more importantly, meeting someone who cares about them
Teenage girls having sex with boys of the same age is totally different to a 27 year old man arranging to meet a young girl on the pretext of signing a shirt and then going on to sexually abusing her.

We then get this ridiculous argument.
This, don’t forget, was a footballer earning £60,000 a week. There are plenty of girls who would find that rather alluring.
Go to any nightclub that footballers frequent and you’ll find them queuing up to bag a multi-millionaire footballer
Well if rich footballers have got lots of women queuing up to have relationships with them why are they having to resort to grooming 15 year old girls who are not hanging around night clubs?

Then we get Amanda's summing up.
I have nothing but contempt for Johnson and pity for those whose lives he has ruined. But when you look at the hard facts of this case, we are entitled to wonder: was he the only one to blame?
Yes, he was guilty. But so is a society that almost seems to encourage teenage girls to behave in such a self-destructive way.
Surely the only people who have seen all the hard facts of the case are the people who have been in court through out the trial including the jury who have listened to the evidence and reached a verdict.
It's like the underlying subtext in Littlejohn's endless Yewtree diatribes - dirty little slapper, she'll end up on the streets/with half a dozen kids from half a dozen fathers anyway, so where's the harm?
 
By Big Arnold
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Best rated.
MagicalMojo, Under your skin, Australia, 8 hours ago
It's a bit rich for a female journalist to talk about the sexualisation of young girls when this 'paper' constantly shows nothing but pictures of half naked women every godamn day! Guilty as sin basically. Thanks for contributing.
 
By Safe_Timber_Man
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manuella, richmond on thames, United Kingdom, 3 hours ago
I totally agree with Amanda relating to Adam Johnson's case. Yes, he was a very silly, silly man who should have known better than. BUT, to think that a 15 year old girl behaved in the manner that she did, is appalling. She chased him, waited for him every time there was a game and yet where were her parents at that time? Remember she was only 15 years of age. She was never forced to meeting him or going inside his car. She was never forced to respond to his flirtations messages and yet that is ALL she did. In one message when he asked her if he was going to get a bit more than just a 'thank you' kiss, she replied....it depends what you are after. Tell me, is this a response you would expect from a 15 year old girl??! I don't think he should be going to prison, or I believe both should be going, as it really takes TWO to tango and she was always UP for it, until of course she was bullied on social media.
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Now best rated.


'She was totally UP for it'...

Ugh.

Shropshire Lass, Ellesmere, United Kingdom, 3 hours ago
The girl in question bragged to her friends and only confessed when she was being shamed at school. She is more to blame than he
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The girl is MORE to blame than he is?! One of the best rated?
 
By cycloon
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'15 year old girl, naive but growing, is sexually excited by the idea of an illicit liaison with a very rich, much older man.'
'Yeah, sounds utterly unimaginable, and therefore is all her fault because she's clearly a harlot, as no other girl would ever do the same. Except all the other sluts. I mean girls. Which is it, again?'
By satnav
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More desperate journalism from a lazy migrant journalist.
It beggars belief
Official figures say the number of Romanians sleeping rough on London’s streets has increased by 90 per cent.
But my local Romanian ‘homeless’ beggar lives in a council house. Homeless by day, nice and warm and paid for by us by night.
Isn't it funny how she always has somebody living near to her who conveniently fits into her bigoted narrative.
Don't give Muhammad Ali a gong
Olympic champion Bradley Wiggins is supporting a campaign for Muhammad Ali to be awarded an honorary knighthood as he ‘did so much for so many people’.
He was also a serial philanderer while lecturing the rest of us on monogamy; campaigned for black rights yet once shared a stage with the Ku Klux Klan and preached peace while making his millions knocking seven bells out of other human beings.
He may be a sporting legend, but I can think of more suitable role models.


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Using Platell's criteria I don't think any more honorary knighthoods will ever be awarded.
 
By Daley Mayle
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Mandy was on Andrew Marr today.

When men and women reach that certain age and look in the mirror and think, 'Need to lose a few pounds' then a lifetime of diet and exercise beckons. Men are lucky, they can lose weight and their faces become gaunt that at worst is interesting to look at. Sadly and unfairly this isn't the case with women. I haven't seen La Platell for some time and she's lost a lot of weight, her face was haggard. Unlike a man who has dropped a few stones but is generally covered up a woman puts on display her bare legs and arms and Mandy's were bordering on skeletal.

A Glenda should point this out in their column. Fair's fair when it comes to making personal comments about other women's looks, eh, Mandy?

It was worth watching to see her outrageous flirting with Yanis Varoufakis, she was all over him. His body language suggested she was out of luck.
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