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By crabcakes_windermere
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The Red Arrow wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:16 pm
When he stops supporting a policy that will also increase poverty for millions for decades, he can crow all he likes. Until then, he’s either a deluded idiot or an arrogant hypocrite. And quite likely both.

That’s why he didn’t mention it. He knows he’s as on the hook as May is with Brexit, but has so little respect for the electorate and his party that he thinks if he doesn’t mention it no one will notice.
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By Silkyman
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Kreuzberger wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:24 pm
At that point, Labour has to pirouette away from Brexit support altogether. He still doesn't seem ready to sanction doing so.
Yeah. He doesn’t actually want to bring down the government yet does he. #longgame

Or does he actually want brexit more than he wants to kill off the Tories? Because that would be a hell of a bad look for a labour leader.

https://t.co/nW8wyQNETy?amp=1
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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Massive chunks of this article are not only bullshit, they’re the exact same ‘we’ll be allowed to cherry pick the rules’ bullshit Boris, Gove et al have been coming out with for 2 years. Wasn’t true then, isn’t true now, and who says it is irrelevant.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... heresa-may
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By Abernathy
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Indeed. The notion that Corbyn can obtain a better deal in 3 months than May could in 30 months, complete with specially tailored single market access, a customised customs union which the UK has a say in the running of, and the same support for continuing high standards we enjoy as a member state is nothing short of a barefaced lie.
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By bluebellnutter
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So if this would be Corbyn's position in the event he gets what he wants in a GE before March, what happens when this fails? The complete disconnect between Corbyn and reality on this is mind-boggling, any decent leader in his position would be saying "this isn't working, my plan B is this realistic option (e.g. Norway, Remain)". To simply say "We'd paint the unicorns red and it'll definitely work" is just nuts.
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By Boiler
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youngian wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:06 am
Leaving the Single Market to do some state aid stuff is the extent of Corbyn's plan. A Brussel's insider on Twitter claimed Barnier's team was impressed by Starmer's grasp of detail but Corbyn just sat through the meetings silent and stony-eyed.
A grasp of detail is what you'd hope a lawyer would have. Whereas a bloke who just objects to everything...
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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bluebellnutter wrote:
Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:22 am
So if this would be Corbyn's position in the event he gets what he wants in a GE before March, what happens when this fails? The complete disconnect between Corbyn and reality on this is mind-boggling, any decent leader in his position would be saying "this isn't working, my plan B is this realistic option (e.g. Norway, Remain)". To simply say "We'd paint the unicorns red and it'll definitely work" is just nuts.
It will be someone else's fault, because it always is. The parallels between the brexit project and the Corbyn project are quite something when you realise. Get a surprise result. Consolidate power. Use language such as 'traitor' against your opponents. Get people in key positions. Rig the system in your favour. Fuck up relentlessly. Blame the people who lost/who aren't in control for all your problems and defeats, and claim that if only they ceased all criticism it would all be wonderful.

Does beg the question that if Corbyn did get to power and things inevitably went pear-shaped, would his supporters blame remainers or centrists?
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