Winegums wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:16 pm
they don't. this rhetoric is why remain lost so hard (amongst other reasons of course). Erasmus and European travel just aren't priorities to young people from poorer backgrounds. People want stable employment, affordable housing and functional services and they've been told the EU stops them from getting this.
It's simply not a convincing line of conversation. "Vote remain so you can study in europe (and pay 9k per year plus living expenses)." "You can travel to europe without a visa (even though you're too skint to even look at the price of flights to Paris)".
It's one of the reasons I laugh off the idea of a second referendum. Even if it happens, and it might, remain is ran by intellectually and morally bankrupt people who think leave won purely because people were lied to, and that if a nice remain person just sits down and explains how all those pret a mengers only work because they are staffed by lithuanians, that the unwashed masses will vote remain next time.
Remain didn’t “lose hard” - it was a matter of 4%, an amount of people already shifted the other way due to deaths/new voters becoming eligible with no other changes, let alone the corruption and cheating by leave. Which - should we need reminding - should be more than reason to bin off this bullshit anyway.
Sure, not all people want to work and travel in Europe (though I don’t know why you seem to think only poor people would vote for Labour?). But if they want stable employment and affordable housing and services, well guess what? Jeremy’s fucked them there as well, hasn’t he? As Brexit will be (and already is) a catastrophe for the economy, with industrial areas worst hit. Even if he gets elected after Brexit, there will be no money for any of it.
You sit there, thinking remain is about ghastly middle class people trying to lecture poor people on what they should want, making cracks about Pret A Manger, all the while defending the (in)action of an insulated, mollycoddled, more than comfortably off career slacker who is ignoring ACTUAL poor people telling him they want him to fight for their jobs and their businesses and their rights. You’re the one telling people you know best about their lives and their work and what they want - and apparently what’s best for them is decades more of crushing austerity and having their freedoms and rights shrunk down because some dullard who flunked out of college thinks it’d be a cracking wheeze to try a social experiment that has failed in every country where his heroes - dictators to a man - have tried it. You’re the one assuming wanting to not have your rights and your country and your prospects shafted, and to have an honest conversation with the electorate on how yes, it was a lie and yes, immigration is actually a good thing is somehow elitist.
And the real joke here is you probably think you’ve come to the conclusions you have because it’s the decent socialist thing. But that, of course, is another lie you’ve convinced yourself to swallow. Because if Jeremy changed to remain tomorrow you’d be on here telling us how he’d always supported it and it was centrists and blairites holding him back from declaring his intent so fast it’d give you vertigo.
Remain covers all walks of life, all backgrounds, all incomes. There’s only one person here working to further the nonsensical dreams of an arrogant bunch of lazy, hubristic career politicians who have never got their hands dirty, never had to worry about making ends meet and never had to concern themselves with anything more than hand-wringing on behalf of the people they think they know best for.
The real Jeremy Corbyn is the one who even today got Islington Council to paint over a billboard of a blank tweet of his that had had kids from his community write demands on for him to listen to them on Brexit, and to stand up for their futures.
That’s your fucking socialist hero right there, winegums. Throwing his weight around to shut poor kids up because he knows best. You kid yourself all you want that remain is a load of latte-sipping thirtysomething centrists who are just worried that Brexit will mean they can’t get cheap flights to Tuscany. The rest of us will keep fighting for lorry drivers and factory workers and musicians and farm workers and absolutely fucking everyone let down by Corbyn’s inability to stand the fuck up when he needed to, and his followers pathetic pettyness in not telling him to step the fuck down when it became obvious he was always going to put ideology before any effort to do genuine good.