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By Philip Marlow
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Grim, with a hint of unintended comic potential.
Georgia Just Criminalized Abortion. Women Who Terminate Their Pregnancies Would Receive Life in Prison.

But it is not clear whether the bill’s drafters contemplated the more dramatic consequences of granting legal personhood to fetuses. For instance, as Georgia appellate attorney Andrew Fleischman has pointed out, the moment this bill takes effect on Jan. 1, 2020, the state will be illegally holding thousands of citizens in jail without bond. That’s because, under HB 481, pregnant inmates’ fetuses have independent rights—including the right to due process. Can a juvenile attorney represent an inmate’s fetus and demand its release? If not, why? It is an egregious due process violation to punish one human for the crimes of another. If an inmate’s fetus is a human, how can Georgia lawfully detain it for a crime it did not commit?

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... rison.html
By spoonman
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Boiler wrote:
Wed May 08, 2019 2:15 pm
Is oral sex still illegal in Georgia?
Technically, yes. It is still on the state's law books as being punishable with imprisonment between one and twenty years! :shock:

However that law, along with similar anti-head laws in seventeen other states in the USA, are unenforceable thanks to the verdict "Lawrence vs. Texas" case at the Federal US Supreme Court in 2003 which struck down state laws prohibiting anal and oral intercourse.

As far as I know, in England and Wales it is still illegal for a man and a woman to engage in anal intercourse under the Offences Against The Person Act 1861 whilst it was decriminalised in 1967 as a homosexual act. The chances of any heterosexual couple being arrested and tried for such however is zero as it's no longer enforced.

But back to the point, if you think Georgia is looking to be zealous, a bunch of legislature members in Ohio (they all belong to one party, shouldn't be hard to guess) has just said "hold my beers..."

New Ohio Bill Would Ban Most Private Insurance Coverage Of Abortion
A new Ohio bill would ban most private insurance coverage for abortions. Opponents say it would also ban effective methods of birth control.
The bill would ban nontherapeutic abortions that include "drugs or devices used to prevent the implantation of a fertilized ovum.”

Becker says the bill also speaks to coverage of ectopic or tubal pregnancies where the fertilized egg attaches outside of the womb.

“Part of that treatment would be removing that embryo from the fallopian tube and reinserting it in the uterus so that is defined as not an abortion under this bill," Becker explains.
https://wosu2.drupal.publicbroadcasting ... n#stream/0

That last bit quoted above is a major WTF moment, as no such medical procedure currently exists for that scenario. Let alone anything else. This is the same 'murcian state that a few weeks ago signed in a law banning abortion where a heart beat of the embryo can be detected. Roe vs. Wade is gonna get tested.
By Philip Marlow
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spoonman wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 1:46 am
Roe vs. Wade is gonna get tested.
I think that might be, at least partly, the point. These wacky patriarchal wonderland laws do have a record of being overturned. I've read more than one bit of commentary suggesting that there's a long game being played, leading to a challenge to Roe vs. Wade, taken to a conservative majority Supreme Court.
By Tubby Isaacs
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I don't know if you have to posit a long game, so much as the same old game being played, of wasting everyone's time and money to fire up an important part of the base. I'm thinking maybe Roberts could knock back Roe v Wade challenges- he seems to have a bit of gravitas and I expect is more interested in business stuff anyway. That would set up Trump nicely to run on replacing "liberal leftist fake conservative" Roberts.
By spoonman
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Don't call them "bullets", instead call then "high velocity freedom projectiles"
By cycloon
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Boiler wrote:
Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:54 am

So where were the good guys with the guns, ready to take him down with a single, perfectly-aimed shot?
Funny how these people aren't stopped isn't it.

Maybe the NRA et al think it's a justifiable cost. I mean, they're gonna say 'YEAH WELL WHAT OF ALL THOSE YOU DON'T HEAR ABOUT COS STOPPED?' to which you'd say 'this maths - yes, MATHS - is acceptable, is it?'

To which they'd call you a commie, obvs.
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