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Would you vote for the LibDems again next time around?

Yes
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No
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Probably
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Probably not
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By Winegums
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visage wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 6:26 pm
Winegums wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 5:37 pm
What's good about being a liberal?
Sigh. OK, what is it about being liberal that makes you think her CLP shouldn't support her?
It's not phillips' liberalism I hate, it's her self promotion and willingness to try to fuck the party for a cheap headline. Recent efforts have been better and I hope she's focusing more on issues rather than headline grabbing shite about stabbing Corbyn.
 
By davidjay
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When you use the same word as an insult, and hate the same people, as Trump and the rest of the neo-Fascist cabal, do you think it might be time to question which side you're actually on?
 
By Winegums
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davidjay wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:22 am
When you use the same word as an insult, and hate the same people, as Trump and the rest of the neo-Fascist cabal, do you think it might be time to question which side you're actually on?
Perhaps you need to explain what "sides" you think there are.
 
By davidjay
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Winegums wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 10:10 am
davidjay wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 10:22 am
When you use the same word as an insult, and hate the same people, as Trump and the rest of the neo-Fascist cabal, do you think it might be time to question which side you're actually on?
Perhaps you need to explain what "sides" you think there are.
The side of decency, of progression, of respect for individuals. And the side of repression, of hatred and of bigotry. I know what side I'm on.
 
By Winegums
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Like yin and yang, like pokemon red and blue, these are truly the two sides of the political coin.

"Decency" is a luxury of the powerful. The idea that the status quo is basically fine and we just need to iron out our disputes in Oxford Debates and Question Time panels.
"Progression" as in progressive politics? Because centrists have never lead the way in this. MLK's letter from a Birmingham jail was particularly clear in its critique of liberals and their wishy washy "I appreciate what you're doing but condone how you're doing it" approach, failing to realise that polite conversation rarely brings about revolution. But really, from Umuna referring to the wrong sorts as "trash" to Philips insisting that sex workers be called "prostitutes", I have never gotten a strongly progressive vibe from liberals beyond what was broadly acceptable with the London social circles. But please, explain what progressivism is defined by liberalism (cf left wing/socialism progressive views).

Respect for individuals? Literally feels like "decency" again. Three points and two of them are the same.


Thanks for showing, so clearly, why liberalism is utterly ill-equipped to deal with modern problems.
 
By Winegums
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We're going to get a second ref. We're going to lose that decidedly, because every politician who is full-throatedly screaming for a second ref has no fucking ability to debate the issue or understand why leave won
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By cycloon
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'Decency is a luxury if the powerful' eh?

Ok comrade, see you on the barricades.

I am seeing an increasing amount of rhetoric online from people arguing/implying that, in essence, revolution is required, because the system is so fucked that even virtues are compromised by its moral fetidness.

Yet always the route implied is that of Trotsky, not MLK: destruction, complete negation. Why not claim decency, rather than reject it?
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By davidjay
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Winegums wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 4:54 pm
Like yin and yang, like pokemon red and blue, these are truly the two sides of the political coin.

"Decency" is a luxury of the powerful. The idea that the status quo is basically fine and we just need to iron out our disputes in Oxford Debates and Question Time panels.
"Progression" as in progressive politics? Because centrists have never lead the way in this. MLK's letter from a Birmingham jail was particularly clear in its critique of liberals and their wishy washy "I appreciate what you're doing but condone how you're doing it" approach, failing to realise that polite conversation rarely brings about revolution. But really, from Umuna referring to the wrong sorts as "trash" to Philips insisting that sex workers be called "prostitutes", I have never gotten a strongly progressive vibe from liberals beyond what was broadly acceptable with the London social circles. But please, explain what progressivism is defined by liberalism (cf left wing/socialism progressive views).

Respect for individuals? Literally feels like "decency" again. Three points and two of them are the same.


Thanks for showing, so clearly, why liberalism is utterly ill-equipped to deal with modern problems.
Thanks for showing why you have so much more in common with Farage and Littlejohn than you have with the rest of us. You really are beneath contempt.
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By cycloon
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Also, these fucking terms confuse me. Inherent in much liberal thought is an idea of progress, and inherent in much social democratic thought is an idea of reform (not revolution... That is, of course, the whole point).

The contemporary blasting of 'centrists' is all well and good for a bit of feel good ranting, but I feel that everyone is a tad confused about what is supposed to replace them and their 100% representative flaws... as I don't actually read many people demanding revolution outright as in mass expropriation etc (the implied bit I mention above excluded, but even then perhaps the key is the rhetoric of.calling for rev vs the substance) but rather dramatic reform... Dun dun dun! Which is where social democratic and liberal traditions begin to rub against each other, unhappily sharing piecemeal and non-violent methods and arguing over the market: capitalism as inherently awful vs, at most, capitalism as a thing to be regulated, to, at least, capitalism as a thing to be unleashed.

Whilst I see no grand inspiring social democrats, I also see no inspiring liberals in the best tradition. I fail to see what grand project is on offer to fix all our woes.
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Winegums wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 4:54 pm
"Decency" is a luxury of the powerful.

Like yin and yang, like pokemon red and blue, these are truly the two sides of the political coin.
Parklife!
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By Arrowhead
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crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 7:30 pm
Parklife!
Damnit, crabcakes! That was literally what I was about to type lol :lol:

Sounds like a crap 1994 Albarn lyric that Phil Daniels rejected for being too zany.
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