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By bluebellnutter
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Winegums wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:37 pm
customs union.
Can you explain, in detail, how a Customs Union with no Single Market access would work for the UK?
 
By youngian
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A customs union means uniform tariffs on the external import and export of goods. The Single Market is about aligning rules and regulations of member states resulting in the free flow of services, capital and people. So far so Thatcher but it’s also about internationalising politics to counterbalance the power multinational capital’s mobility with common consumer, environmental and labour rights.
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By Winegums
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crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:32 am
Also, it's fucking laughable that after all the smug, self-righteous "centrists have no plan, no vision and no clue why brexit happened" high horse bullshit, that this is all that was put forward. A vague, caveated, non-committal placeholder of a soluton parroted straight off of Corbyn - saying "a customs union" is about as informative as telling someone where you are by saying "I'm near a tree". Or that you want a "jobs-first brexit". What sort of union is it? What will it cover? Who will be in it? How will it affect our trade? Is it the same one as this, which would require the EU to suddenly give up on some of its red lines? https://www.ft.com/content/d7673a26-1af ... db76e69936

You don't have any plan or vision. You don't even know what you think you're being promised, let alone are you able to explain why it will benefit anyone. Probably because Corbyn doesn't know himself, because this is yet another fence-sitting exercise - offering something that looks remain-y to try and keep people on board, but is so loosely defined as to be meaningless and full of ideas that would be rejected even if they were up for renegotiation. Which they aren't.

Believing in things that have already been rejected coming to pass to allow other things to happen is not vision. It's delusion.
You are incredibly online. I think brexit is a bad idea, CU is the best compromise, and aiming for CU with ref on just remaining anyway is probably the best way to keep everyone on board. Rerunning the referendum makes a farce of democracy.
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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A farce of democracy is accepting a 3-year-old non-binding corrupt vote based on bullshit as set in stone because a Tory idiot gambled the house on a simple in-out vote without having the sense to add in a confirmatory stage. It’s the absolute reverse of democracy - everyone else has had the opportunity to change their mind: about leaders, what type of Brexit it is, when it happens. Everyone except the people. And parliament is deadlocked because too many people are more concerned with saving their own jobs and/or with their own personal wants.

So you want to give the Tories what they want because a Tory didn’t have the sense to do it better and only offered it in the first place because it was the easy way out rather than deal with the issues, and was arrogant enough to assume victory then cowardly enough to literally walk away whistling.

Why should anyone respect that?
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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Also, in case you missed the memo no one is on board. No one likes Corbyn’s fence sitting. There is no good Brexit, so if you’re not against it, you’re for it - and that’s why it’s such a futile, blinkered exercise.
 
By Winegums
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lord_kobel wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:53 pm
Winegums wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:03 pm
Rerunning the referendum makes a farce of democracy.
How so? Refer to general elections in your answer.
You don't elect an MP for life. You make a unique decision for who represents you every 5 years.

Ultimately this comes down to public opinion - if they think there should be a 2nd ref then there will be one and the public's respect of a democracy is the only thing that grants it legitimacy.

As it stands they don't want a second ref so there won't be one until that attitude changes.
 
By Winegums
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Bones McCoy wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:04 pm
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I wish we had a smilie with love hearts for eyes, b/c that's what I'm feeling right now


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