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By crabcakes_windermere
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#578385
Apart from inexplicably still thinking 'lexit' is anything other than flat-out insanity, with this crap I'm starting to think Milne and Corbyn feel it's more important to chase a handful of votes of northern working class Labour voters than it is to win a hell of a lot more votes from all over the UK and from across classes.

It's not even just unblinking loyalty they now want. You have to be a 'proper' Labour voter as well, or they don't care. Fuckwits.
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By youngian
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#578388
Take away switchers, NHS bus money mugs, Lexiters, anti-Cameron and austerity protest voters and what proportion of that 30% of Labour voters who were Leave are nativists who will switch to Tories/BXP over Brexit policy? If say its half then Corbyn has a strategy of targeting 4-6% of the electorate.
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By crabcakes_windermere
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#578389


The fact he has used the phrase ‘real choices for remain or leave voters’ instead of ‘remain or leave’ is no accident and convinces me this is smoke and mirrors.

This is an incredibly risky ‘strategy’ for no reason other than to allow him wiggle room. He’s an absolute fool.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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#578391
Saw a thing on Twitter (plausible looking, can someone confirm or not?) that the 50 nearest Labour misses last time are more Remain than average, with 50.1% Leave. Remain in those seats isn't going to be a huge risk, though there will be some already held seats where it is.
 
By Abernathy
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 1560965059

Labour row erupts over second Brexit referendum in top level meeting with Corbyn

Simply appalling. Corbyn is an obstinate, deluded, useless fuckwit. He literally has not the first idea about leading a modern political party with a developed strategy to return Labour to power. This is absolutely disgraceful.
Former YouGov president Peter Kellner said that failure to appeal more decisively to lost Remain voters would “condemn Labour to its fourth consecutive general election defeat”.
Kellner - a respected psephologist as well as a knowledgable and savvy political strategist - is totally correct.

Meanwhile, Corbyn rumbles blissfully on with the same old equivocating crap :
In a statement to his shadow cabinet, Mr Corbyn made no changes to his position, saying he had stuck “faithfully” to the policy agreed last year, which prioritises a general election over a second referendum. He said he wanted to consult further with MPs and trade unions.
Repeating his statement after last month’s disastrous European elections, he said it was “now right to demand that any deal is put to a public vote”, which could be a general election or second referendum. And he said that any referendum ballot paper should contain “real choices for both Leave and Remain voters”.


This amounts to nothing less than a grotesque and egregious failure of leadership. We have to campaign passionately for a position - obfuscating fudge is causing us actual damage.

I'm almost at the point of giving up now. Bring on the general election defeat sooner rather than later if it will rid us of this imbecile of a "leader". He makes Boris Johnson look like fucking Nelson Mandela.
 
By oboogie
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#578412
crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:02 pm


The fact he has used the phrase ‘real choices for remain or leave voters’ instead of ‘remain or leave’ is no accident and convinces me this is smoke and mirrors.

This is an incredibly risky ‘strategy’ for no reason other than to allow him wiggle room. He’s an absolute fool.
What Pippa seems to have overlooked is that Corbyn is only offering a vote on any deal. As there is no deal and Johnson won't get one, effectively Corbyn is saying no to a vote and we'll just crash out on no deal.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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#578418
It's certainly feeble leadership even allowing for the dilemma. But No Deal will likely be blocked, won't it? 90 Tories showed up last time to help do that. Sure most of them didn't want to be seen to be binding the new PM the other day, buy enough will surely show up again.
 
By Abernathy
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#578435
Corbyn seems to have forgotten that many (even most) people who chose the option 'leave' either did so to register a protest vote against austerity and Cameron or because they were persuaded by the claims of more money for the NHS.

Labour should be making sure that these people are made aware explicitly that Brexit is likely to wreck the NHS (as well as by default ensure that austerity continues to impact on public services) and be putting together a strategy to address these issues in the 'falling behind' areas.

Coupled with an unequivocal and evangelical campaign (which is where leadership is required) to keep Britain's EU membership, such a strategy could see Labour win a majority at the next election.

Corbyn has done none of this. None. All he has done is fanny about and obfuscate, with the result that Labour's message on Brexit is hopelessly vague.

Now he is reportedly looking into a strategy that would mirror that of Harold Wilson, whose approach in the 1975 referendum was to give cabinet ministers free rein to support and campaign for whichever side of the argument in the referendum they wanted to support. You can see why - he wants to be able to campaign to leave. Anything other than lead his party in a coherent and popular position that would see the UK thrive within the EU and progress under a Labour government.

When Corbyn is eventually gone, history will view his leadership as one of the most disastrous decisions, for the Labour Party and for the country, that Labour members ever took.
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By youngian
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#578437
Now he is reportedly looking into a strategy that would mirror that of Harold Wilson, whose approach in the 1975 referendum was to give cabinet ministers free rein to support and campaign for whichever side f the argument in the referendum they wanted to support.

I can't decide if having Corbyn on your side is helpful or a hindrance. Probably neither as he was a nonentity in the last referendum. Wilson could look statesmanlike and above the fray because he was a long-serving PM and had a popular Liberal leader and Tory Party, that hadn't gone insane, to help with the lifting. Why is Corbyn telling people he's only just found out what Wilson's referendum strategy was, is this his idea of deep academic research?
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By Oblomov
#578464
I was enthusiastic about Corbyn in 2015, I thought it would be refreshing to have an unorthodox candidate that would put austerity policies in his crosshairs and maybe steer the national discourse away from the neoliberal dogma of the last 3 and a bit decades.

I've been deflated like the Hindenburg.
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