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#583333
Abernathy wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:02 pm
Kreuzberger : Normally you write with considerable clarity, but I've found myself scratching my bonce after reading your latest brain-dump.

Aye, it was a brain-dump after a long and tiring day. (I usually come here to play with the grown ups, especially after a day like yesterday, so I apologise for the lack of lucidity.)
Kreuzberger wrote:
Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:47 pm
I'm so torn on this, I really am.

I didn't want to believe that AS was a Thing in the broad left but there can be no doubt that it is part of the mud-sling that is within the armoury of those who we would usually see as being on "our side".


For the avoidance of any doubt, I am appalled and shocked in equal measure that the Labour Party has an AS problem to this extent and has been so reluctant to face up to it.
A part of me still believes that this is grounded in the politics of the simpleton. They say daft shit on Twitter. It becomes amplified. We become mired in it.


Probably correct, at least in part. But it certainly does not seem all to be characterisable in that way. The CRT report, if you read the whole thing, makes that very clear.
Meanwhile, holding to account the tories' solemn pledges to get to the bottom of Islamophobia is denigrated as Whataboutery or not even worth a mention,

Who does this ?
I was accused of whataboutery in the very next post. QED. The binary nature of politics, writ large and crawled on the bog wall.

while people are punching the air that journos on independent media - without name or form with which to call them to account - are losing their jobs.
Again, who are you talking about ? Who's punching the air? Who are losing their jobs ?

I am talking about the unbridled glee with which left-leaning scribes on the Canary losing their jobs has been met. This "Breitbart of the Left" tag is as risible as it is wrong. I'll revise that POV once the Canary leaves IMPRESS and Breitbart no longer sucks on an endless teat of dark money.

During the nine years that I have been posting on here, dozens of thousands have been laid off from the Sun, the Telegraphs and Derry Street. A peep, was there not. And, there certainly hasn't been a single post that I can recollect urging reform and professionalisation towards a viable certainty that pays the rent and offers a credible alternative to the status quo.

Perhaps some would prefer there to be a monochrome right wing carve-up of the media. Hell, it is certainly easier to throw rocks rather than to build lasting structures but, I think that what I am saying, is that this is rapidly becoming an untenable position.
Meanwhile, the coup trundles on.
What coup?
The one in Downing Street which now plans to ignore inconvenient votes. That one.
How many times in the last three years have we invoked the ghost of Niemöller? All that pearl-clutching is coming to an end, whether we like it or not. It is time to pick a side. Lefties, remoaners, vermin, queer taig midgets?


Again, I think I know what or who you might be referring to, but I'm really not sure. [/quote]


The axis of Number 10, Vote Leave and the vast majority of the press - those that have thrown insult after insult at us, their enemies, for the last three years. OK, they haven't called Varadkar a taig yet, not on this side of St. George's Channel, yet and at any rate. We'll see whether that comes to pass.
The side I chose might not be perfect but it is infinitely preferable to the alternative that is close to stifling all dissent within a few short months.
And again, who are you referring to? The Johnson administration ? What side have you chosen?
I remain firmly on the side of the left, with all its faults. I remain on the side of the Canary which I would like to see reform and grow in to a fully fit for purpose outlet with, for example and as per the Guardian, a board of trustees that will curb the excesses, the pile-ons and the intemperate language. I remain firmly on the side of Remain because anything else is merely a different flavour and intensity of social and economic harm.
I've rarely known quite so gnomic a posting. I'm not getting at you (heaven forfend) but any chance of clearing up all these mysteries ?
Again, I apologise, but this is the product of muddled, panicky thinking that sees what is happening beyond the garden fence and while the "Labour" section of this forum willingly forms itself in to a circular firing squad.

I stress again that I am torn. I want to see a coherent Left ease itself in to a de facto winning position and one in which it is able to be comfortable in its own skin. But, like Whaley Bridge neighbours bitching over the height of a hedge while the dam is about to burst, the country is headed for a full-blown national crisis before the last of the leaves have fallen.
#583337
Thanks for all of those clarifications, K.

I certainly agree with you that highlighting the Tory Islamophobia issue shoud not be dismissed as "whataboutery".

I possibly part company with you in respect of The Canary. I share your hope that it can mature into something that CP Snow could be proud of, but I'm afraid it seems a very long way away from that at the moment.

Finally, your Whaley Bridge dam analogy is a good one. The phenomenon of people being earnestly warned that if they remain in their homes at this time, they actually risk being swept away to a horrific end, and responding "Thank you very much, but I'm going to stay." is utterly bizarre and bewildering.
#583351
Kreuzberger wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:59 pm
I am talking about the unbridled glee with which left-leaning scribes on the Canary losing their jobs has been met. This "Breitbart of the Left" tag is as risible as it is wrong.
Again, the editor posted an image saying they were being opposed by jewish nazis who wanted to remain in the EU.
Kreuzberger wrote:
Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:59 pm
During the nine years that I have been posting on here, dozens of thousands have been laid off from the Sun, the Telegraphs and Derry Street. A peep, was there not.
If the entire thing was being shut down, you would have. Also, the Sun was never supposed to be on our side, the canary was. That makes their fuckups hurt more.
#583358
To be clear, not a single person has lost their 'job' at the Canary. They are simply reducing their number of freelance submissions - and by the looks of it they previously took anything from more or less anyone - in favour of a smaller in-house permanent team.

No freelance article writer would depend on a single source, and I suspect many who submitted to the Canary are hobby writers anyway.

If anything, they have created more (permanent) jobs in having to change rather than being part of the gig economy, and in moving to a reader pays model away from clickbait & ads they'll have to produce a journalistic product people think is worth paying for.
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#583534
crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:58 am
To be clear, not a single person has lost their 'job' at the Canary. They are simply reducing their number of freelance submissions - and by the looks of it they previously took anything from more or less anyone - in favour of a smaller in-house permanent team.

No freelance article writer would depend on a single source, and I suspect many who submitted to the Canary are hobby writers anyway.

If anything, they have created more (permanent) jobs in having to change rather than being part of the gig economy, and in moving to a reader pays model away from clickbait & ads they'll have to produce a journalistic product people think is worth paying for.
As has been said of The Guardian's rather open opinion section, Comment Is Free (And Usually Unsubstantiated Bollocks).
#583736
The anti-Corbyn organisation these members belong is The Jewish Labour Movement.



The idea that the Canary is going to grow into a fully fit for purpose output is as likely as Donald Trump winning the Nobel Peace Prize.
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#583742
It's almost like their policy is to stick their heads in the sand and pretend it's not happening...
#583744
They know it's happening. Milne hopes that if Jez says nothing it will all blow over.
#583775
I would suggest they know it's happening but don't care because they still don't get it. They don't get that their unwillingness to tackle people who can't be arsed to check whether their criticism of Israel or sharing of memes etc has drifted into antisemitism at higher levels means that at lower levels you get twitter trolls and facebook groups banging out Rothschild-type nonsense and accusing the numbers lady off of countdown of being a Mossad agent (I made that one up, but I suspect I could probably find someone who believed it), and it all ultimately boils down to Jews don't want Corbyn in power because Jews are greedy. Which is *nothing* to do with the original issue of idiots conflating criticism of Israel with Jews in general, but *everything* to do with the conspiracy mindset Corbyn's team have if not ignored then actively fostered leading to the reemergence of classic left-wing antisemitic tropes.

They're happy with the collateral damage because it means they can tick their 'good socialist' box about supporting Palestine/criticising Israel regardless of how far over the line that criticism goes, and it gives them another overly simplistic black/white 'if you're not for us you're against us' issue to further purify the party with when anyone speaks up.
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