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By Arrowhead
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visage wrote:
Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:39 am
Standing to be London Mayor. Interesting.

Much better option than the rancid cunt the Tories are putting up.
Interesting, but also a bit confusing. With so many Brexit headbangers out there just waiting to be taken down, why on earth would he choose to pick a scrap with Sadiq Khan?
By The Rationalist
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Makes a lot of sense. Not too many Brexit Headbanger Targets outside of Parliament and says he doesn't want to be there any more. Interesting choice (bit harsh on Sadiq) but a great platform for building out profile and maybe creating some kind of Centrist Party in the future which I for one would welcome (too much baggage with the LD's). Also, who wouldn't want to have the Donald pointing hostile tweets in your direction.
By visage
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Yeah. The Tories are toxic right now. So stepping out, into something that maintains your profile, is no bad idea.

He'll almost certainly lose, but likely come second (Shaun Bailey is toxic), and in the post Brexit hellscape where the Tories are toxic and Saint Jezz has led Labour to single digit numbers, then maybe the new Macron/Blair can ascend.....

Basically, right now, being outside of Westminster politics is no bad thing.
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By youngian
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Peter Oborne attends what sounds like his final Tory conference.
I have attended every single Conservative Party conference since 1992. This one is the only one where I’ve felt scared.

The Conservative Party I have supported almost all my adult life scarcely exists anymore. Johnson, in his speech to party activists this week, spoke of a One-Nation Toryism, laying claim to a tradition that dates back to his predecessor, Conservative Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 150 years ago.

But the party he leads is not One Nation. It’s turning fast into an English national party that is venomously opposed to everything Conservatism has traditionally stood for.

It’s against the rule of law, disagreeing with the Supreme Court judges who humiliated Johnson by declaring that his decision to shut down Parliament for five weeks was unlawful. It is hostile to the tradition of parliamentary democracy, which in Britain dates back nearly 350 years, to the constitutional settlement set in train with the 1688 Glorious Revolution.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/o ... 1-deadline
 
By davidjay
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youngian wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:31 pm
Peter Oborne attends what sounds like his final Tory conference.
I have attended every single Conservative Party conference since 1992. This one is the only one where I’ve felt scared.

The Conservative Party I have supported almost all my adult life scarcely exists anymore. Johnson, in his speech to party activists this week, spoke of a One-Nation Toryism, laying claim to a tradition that dates back to his predecessor, Conservative Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 150 years ago.

But the party he leads is not One Nation. It’s turning fast into an English national party that is venomously opposed to everything Conservatism has traditionally stood for.

It’s against the rule of law, disagreeing with the Supreme Court judges who humiliated Johnson by declaring that his decision to shut down Parliament for five weeks was unlawful. It is hostile to the tradition of parliamentary democracy, which in Britain dates back nearly 350 years, to the constitutional settlement set in train with the 1688 Glorious Revolution.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/o ... 1-deadline
To paraphrase what was said the other day, it's got to the stage where you start to think somebody whose every opinion you vehemently oppose is alright because they put their opinions across with a modicum of politness.
 
By Oblomov
#587453
Amber Rudd squirming on Today this morn, spouting the party line bollocks that Jeremy Corbyn in no. 10 would be even more disastrous than No Deal :roll:
 
By Arrowhead
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So it seems representatives of a group of 80 or so One Nation 'moderate' Tory MP's have today secured assurances from Boris Johnson that the party will not, under any circumstances, include a No Deal pledge in their upcoming election manifesto.

Several question arise from this:

1) Where on earth have all these One Nation MP's been silently hiding these past few weeks and months? Why have they waited until now to speak out?
2) Why would they believe a solitary word Boris Johnson says, especially as he presided over the ejection of 21 of their own like-minded colleagues a few short weeks ago?
3) Ruling out a No Deal outcome is surely completely at odds with the ongoing "Do or Die" rhetoric still emanating from No 10?

If the Tories are genuinely intending to fight the upcoming election on somehow magically securing a deal from Brussels, something which they have palpably already failed to do over the course of 3+ years, then they really are living in cloud cuckoo land. It also raises the prospect of an incandescent Brexit Party standing candidates against the Tories bar, of course, the 28 'Spartan' headbangers.
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By davidjay
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Arrowhead wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:54 pm
So it seems representatives of a group of 80 or so One Nation 'moderate' Tory MP's have today secured assurances from Boris Johnson that the party will not, under any circumstances, include a No Deal pledge in their upcoming election manifesto.

Several question arise from this:

1) Where on earth have all these One Nation MP's been silently hiding these past few weeks and months? Why have they waited until now to speak out?
2) Why would they believe a solitary word Boris Johnson says, especially as he presided over the ejection of 21 of their own like-minded colleagues a few short weeks ago?
3) Ruling out a No Deal outcome is surely completely at odds with the ongoing "Do or Die" rhetoric still emanating from No 10?

If the Tories are genuinely intending to fight the upcoming election on somehow magically securing a deal from Brussels, something which they have palpably already failed to do over the course of 3+ years, then they really are living in cloud cuckoo land. It also raises the prospect of an incandescent Brexit Party standing candidates against the Tories bar, of course, the 28 'Spartan' headbangers.
Tories will always re-group and chuck their principles under the bus in order to win an election.
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By Kreuzberger
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This One Nation Tory moniker is disingenuous silliness on stilts. There is no such thing.

Granted, there are those that think that whichever generation of thieves, blaggards and racists are is bit much to stomach, but all they are doing is buying themselves an expedient yard or two of distance.
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By Oblomov
#587599
Kreuzberger wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:22 pm
This One Nation Tory moniker is disingenuous silliness on stilts. There is no such thing.

Granted, there are those that think that whichever generation of thieves, blaggards and racists are is bit much to stomach, but all they are doing is buying themselves an expedient yard or two of distance.
Isn't it centered around some patronizing paternalistic regard of other countries that you'd have seen from Hitchens The Elder in his crankier later days?
By Andy McDandy
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#587603
I've always seen it as tolerating the rich northern cunt who tells it like it is, speaks his mind, isn't afraid to call a spade a fookin' disgrace, bone bloody idle the lot of 'em, and has no sympathy for them down pit village who won't pull their bloody socks up and pay bloody rent.
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By Bones McCoy
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Kreuzberger wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:22 pm
This One Nation Tory moniker is disingenuous silliness on stilts. There is no such thing.

Granted, there are those that think that whichever generation of thieves, blaggards and racists are is bit much to stomach, but all they are doing is buying themselves an expedient yard or two of distance.
Quite right.
Thatcher and her boot boys eliminated the one nation group form her party.
The party's trajectory since has been ever further rightwards.
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