- Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:03 pm #591924
I agree talking this through the prism of is Corbyn an anti-semite is unhelpful. However I'm willing to bet that the Chief Rabbi is more representative of the Jewish Community than Micheal Rosen is.crabcakes_windermere wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:28 pmI saw that Michael Rosen thing. It's a good article, but I still despair that so many people see the issue in such a polar way, as if the only two possibilities are that Corbyn is the new Hitler or the entire antisemitism thing is 100000% fabricated. Corbyn can be a lifelong campaigner against bigotry (as he often reminds us... ) AND have the support of some Jewish people AND not personally be antisemitic AND STILL be weak on antisemitism and have blind spots/be overly generous in giving the benefit of the doubt to what other people say or do. Just like he can get a hard time in the media AND still be absolute dogshit useless on occasion. Or that he can do something genuinely great, like the NHS document reveal, AND totally mistime a speech after the London Bridge attacks to wang on and make it about Iraq (and for the record I don't think he's necessarily wrong - I do think his timing and his inability to resist getting in an obvious public dig at Blair and to trumpet his own thoroughly un-unique opposition to invasion when there was so much to be made of how Tory police and prison cuts had led to this is fucking *woeful*).
He's a mediocre politician who got where he is through luck, not ability, and is prone to overly simplistic views and falling back on long-held and often outdated assumptions. His blatant seeing of constant antisemitism accusations as 'a bother' is entirely in fitting with this, as is his willingness on the one hand to talk with anyone and tackle abuse (I'm sure these are genuine), and on the other to see e.g. a relatively well-off jewish person complaining about abuse while not actively being sufficiently critical of Israel as not really a high priority problem. Even if they're one of his MPs.
I'm not Jewish, but if I were I could see how concern about people he enables through inaction (as opposed to he himself being any sort of direct threat) would be troubling. But...Corbyn himself will probably be gone from Parliament by the next election, he will not be winning a majority in this election, and in minority govt. anything he does will be tempered by whoever he has to do a deal with. Whereas the Johnson-style Tories in majority will be racist and bigoted enough for everyone just because they are, and those Tories who aren't personally bigots will be too spineless to stand up to him (as the ones that weren't are already out). On that basis, I hope sensible Jewish people take the Chief Rabbi's comments with a pinch of salt. Yes, someone else other than Corbyn would be preferable - but he himself is infinitely preferable to Johnson, and his effects and longevity as PM considerably more limitable and controllable.
EDIT: TL;DR, if you have to vote for someone who's a bit shit, don't vote for the guy who scores 10 on the shit-o-meter just because you're disappointed that the other guy scores as highly as a 4.
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