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By Bones McCoy
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The Red Arrow wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:21 pm
Bones McCoy wrote:I think it's an attempt at the famous snap of Robert (No connection to the PM) Johnson.
I dunno so much - they're both American and sold their souls a long time ago.
If Boris sold his soul for guitar talent, it's his second worst deal.

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By The Red Arrow
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Hello @BBCNews, @bbcnickrobinson, @bbclaurak. And one for the back pocket, @afneil?
"I have been increasingly dismayed by the way in which our political leaders have tried to deliver Brexit, with reluctance to address honestly, even with our own citizens, the challenges and trade-offs which Brexit involves; the use of misleading or disingenuous arguments about the implications of the various options before us; and some behaviour towards our institutions, which, were it happening in another country, we would almost certainly as diplomats have received instructions to register our concern," she wrote in her letter, dated December 3.
"It makes our job to promote democracy and the rule of law that much harder, if we are not seen to be upholding these core values at home."

 
By Kreuzberger
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There is another passage of her valedictory message which the Guardian is reporting;
I am also at a stage in life where I would prefer to do something more rewarding with my time, than peddle half-truths on behalf of a government I do not trust.
Unprecedented?
 
By Boiler
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Well... as far as I am concerned, the election is lost to the Tories and despite the coming inevitable defeat, there are those in Labour who will claim a 'moral victory' and JC will remain leader.

I'm done. I have accepted the inevitable.
 
By davidjay
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Boiler wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:49 pm
Well... as far as I am concerned, the election is lost to the Tories and despite the coming inevitable defeat, there are those in Labour who will claim a 'moral victory' and JC will remain leader.

I'm done. I have accepted the inevitable.
I'm in the same mindset as last time - hoping the defeat isn't bad enough to mean we can't win the next one. Miracles, like lightning strikes, don't happen twice.
By Andy McDandy
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If Johnson wins comfortably, I'll look to emigrate. It'll be proof that selfishness and apathy, and an absolute disinterest in where the country is going has won.

And besides, I'll be personally fucked. Public libraries are hanging on by a thread as it is. No place in Johnson's shiny future for me.
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By Boiler
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It's funny, but the other day I found myself looking up who is in @Catkins's avatar. In the video from which the avatar is taken, I did at times think to myself "my goodness, doesn't Jonathan Pie look like him?"
 
By The Weeping Angel
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Boiler wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:49 pm
Well... as far as I am concerned, the election is lost to the Tories and despite the coming inevitable defeat, there are those in Labour who will claim a 'moral victory' and JC will remain leader.

I'm done. I have accepted the inevitable.
This quote from Tony Benn after the 1983 General Election will sum up much of their arguments
The general election of 1983 has produced one important result that has passed virtually without comment in the media. It is that, for the first time since 1945, a political party with an openly socialist policy has received the support of over eight and a half million people. This is a remarkable development by any standards and it deserves some analysis … the 1983 Labour manifesto commanded the loyalty of millions of voters and a democratic socialist bridge-head in public understanding and support can be made.
He lost his seat in that election btw.
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By Dan
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There was never any hope of replacing the Tories as largest party.

The only hope lay in keeping, ironically, the status quo of paralysing the Tories in Parliament or that they obtain such a small minority that the slightest rebellion means trouble.

This is dependent on so many variables, it's still hard to call even at this stage.
 
By youngian
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The Weeping Angel wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:10 am
This quote from Tony Benn after the 1983 General Election will sum up much of their arguments
The general election of 1983 has produced one important result that has passed virtually without comment in the media. It is that, for the first time since 1945, a political party with an openly socialist policy has received the support of over eight and a half million people. This is a remarkable development by any standards and it deserves some analysis … the 1983 Labour manifesto commanded the loyalty of millions of voters and a democratic socialist bridge-head in public understanding and support can be made.
He lost his seat in that election btw.
I like the 1983 manifesto apart from piffle about leaving the EEC. It was ambitious Keynesian reflation but hardly East Germany. The point about 1983 was that Foot wasn't capable of showing firm leadership over the putrid rabble Benn was encouraging to take over the party let alone the country. Back then it was snooty wine drinking former head of the Commission Roy Jenkins knocking stuffing out of Labour in their heartlands. The lesson being is that any non-Tory who steps up can grab working class votes off Foot or Corbyn. In Corbyn's case even a Tory can.
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By Malcolm Armsteen
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How long will it be before people realise that Blair, Brown, Mowlem, Cooke and Harman were right?
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By youngian
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Many Corbyn fans could not compute a Ch4 News vox pop of former Labour voters (and mainly Leavers) in the West Midlands. They won't vote Labour while Corbyn (Brexiter all his life) is in charge but would if they had a proper leader like Tony Blair (lifelong Europhile). It makes sense to anyone serious about winning elections and understands leadership even if they don't like Blair personally. But Labour members like to overcomplicate politics and lose.
 
By Boiler
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:36 am
How long will it be before people realise that Blair, Brown, Mowlem, Cooke and Harman were right?
I'll add my usual caveat about their treatment of the disabled.
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By youngian
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Boiler wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 10:14 am
Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Sat Dec 07, 2019 9:36 am
How long will it be before people realise that Blair, Brown, Mowlem, Cooke and Harman were right?
I'll add my usual caveat about their treatment of the disabled.

I can recall all sorts of issues that infuriated me about the Blair years but that was partly because Blair had won the public's trust and could have built a million new council houses for example without losing an election but chose not to.
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Joking apart, I think I might do, too.

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