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#598240
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:30 pm
Starmer committing to abolish tuition fees seems to have set some of this off.

I can understand why he's done this, but he must know how expensive and regressive that is. Does he really want to go into an election with the Tories saying they'll give voters a tax cut and or spend it on vocational education?
There's room for some really radical thinking around education funding.
Student loans were supposed to buffer the impact of fees, and give government a break from trying to rationalize the ever shrinking maintenance grant.

A recent report headlined with the fact that 83% of loans are not repaid (Sorry didn't sport the detail).
The general drift I get form those with an educational interest (as opposed to those interested in selling the debt to commercial interests) is that loans are costing more than grants.

The present system seems increasingly like pushng the maintenance component of spend into one of those penny falls arcade games, with no idea when or how much will emerge later.
#598245
Javid as Business Secretary scrapped a load of the maintenance grant. That ought to be restored and more because poorer students drop out if they have no money.

I don't know if radicalism is needed really. Just somebody to take a view of what funding universities need and how much the state can sustainably put in. Fees can certainly be reduced but I think abolition costs about £9bn a year net. Lot of money to tie up before you've even become leader.
#598306
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other

Good responses from most. But this is the most interesting bit:
Starmer said: “We spoke up in shadow cabinet [about antisemitism]. We had a lot of rows. And I want to pay tribute to Emily. She spoke up loud and clear … Sometimes the row went on for the whole of the meeting.”

At Wednesday night’s BBC Newsnight’s hustings, Thornberry had said she could not recall Long-Bailey having done the same as a shadow cabinet minister, despite her claims to the contrary.
Who could possibly think that RLB would keep quiet and not criticise Jeremy, eh? Not like her at all.
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#598307
Looks like Scientists for Labour have voted to nominate Keir Starmer and Rosena Allin-Khan.
Who should SfL nominate for Leadership of the Labour Party? plurality
Rebecca Long-Bailey 37 votes (23.4%)
Lisa Nandy 27 votes (17.1%)
Keir Starmer 81 votes (51.3%)
Emily Thornberry 13 votes (8.2%)
Keir Starmer wins with 51.3% of the vote.
158 votes tallied and 1 abstention from 159 ballots

Who should SfL nominate for Deputy Leadership of the Labour Party? plurality
Rosena Allin-Khan 60 votes (38.0%)
Richard Burgon 17 votes (10.8%)
Dawn Butler 16 votes (10.1%)
Ian Murray 27 votes (17.1%)
Angela Rayner 38 votes (24.1%)
Rosena Allin-Khan wins with 38.0% of the vote.
158 votes tallied and 1 abstention from 159 ballots
Arrowhead liked this
#598314
lord_kobel wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:01 am
Looks like Scientists for Labour have voted to nominate Keir Starmer and Rosena Allin-Khan.
Who should SfL nominate for Leadership of the Labour Party? plurality
Rebecca Long-Bailey 37 votes (23.4%)
Lisa Nandy 27 votes (17.1%)
Keir Starmer 81 votes (51.3%)
Emily Thornberry 13 votes (8.2%)
Keir Starmer wins with 51.3% of the vote.
158 votes tallied and 1 abstention from 159 ballots

Who should SfL nominate for Deputy Leadership of the Labour Party? plurality
Rosena Allin-Khan 60 votes (38.0%)
Richard Burgon 17 votes (10.8%)
Dawn Butler 16 votes (10.1%)
Ian Murray 27 votes (17.1%)
Angela Rayner 38 votes (24.1%)
Rosena Allin-Khan wins with 38.0% of the vote.
158 votes tallied and 1 abstention from 159 ballots
Marvellous. I’m glad to now be able to say I have contributed in some tiny way to ending the Corbyn project.
#598319
Labour International results

Leader: Keir Starmer elected
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OpaVote Election Results (https://www.OpaVote.com/)

Nomination for Leader of the Labour Party

There are 4 candidates competing for 1 seats. The number of voters is 1298 and
there were 1290 valid votes and 8 empty votes.

Counting votes using N. Ireland STV.

 R|Rebecca Lo|Lisa Nandy|Keir Starm|Emily Thor|Exhausted |Surplus   |Threshold 
  |ng-Bailey |          |er        |nberry    |          |          |          
===============================================================================
 1|    531.00|    135.00|    549.00|     75.00|      0.00|      0.00|    646.00
  |----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates will
  | be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
===============================================================================
 2|    579.00|          |    694.00|          |     17.00|     48.00|    646.00
  |----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating Lisa Nandy and Emily Thornberry and transferring
  | votes. All losing candidates are eliminated. Candidate Keir Starmer has
  | reached the threshold and is elected.

Winner is Keir Starmer.
Deputy Leader - Angela Rayner elected
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OpaVote Election Results (https://www.OpaVote.com/)

Nomination for Deputy Leader of the Labour Party 

There are 5 candidates competing for 1 seats. The number of voters is 1298 and
there were 1253 valid votes and 45 empty votes.

Counting votes using N. Ireland STV.

 R|Rosena A|Richard |Dawn But|Ian Murr|Angela R|Exhauste|Surplus |Threshol
  |llin-Kha|Burgon  |ler     |ay      |ayner   |d       |        |d       
  |n       |        |        |        |        |        |        |        
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 1|  159.00|  309.00|  184.00|   95.00|  506.00|    0.00|    0.00|  627.00
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count of first choices. No candidates have surplus votes so candidates
  | will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next round.
==========================================================================
 2|  193.00|  311.00|  190.00|        |  539.00|   20.00|    0.00|  627.00
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating Ian Murray and transferring votes. All losing
  | candidates are eliminated. No candidates have surplus votes so
  | candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next
  | round.
==========================================================================
 3|  232.00|  368.00|        |        |  615.00|   38.00|    0.00|  627.00
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating Dawn Butler and transferring votes. All losing
  | candidates are eliminated. No candidates have surplus votes so
  | candidates will be eliminated and their votes transferred for the next
  | round.
==========================================================================
 4|   73.00|   59.00|        |        |  914.00|  207.00|  287.00|  627.00
  |-----------------------------------------------------------------------
  | Count after eliminating Rosena Allin-Khan and Richard Burgon and
  | transferring votes. All losing candidates are eliminated. Candidate
  | Angela Rayner has reached the threshold and is elected.

Winner is Angela Rayner.
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#598368
So it's Nandy, Long-Bailey, or Starmer.

Not that hard a choice, is it?

I sense the nutters are demoralised and falling away. Some are even getting sensible.

I imagine the bogus doctor may by now have gnawed his own arm off.
#598370
To fall just two nominations short must be gut-wrenching for Thornberry, although she almost certainly wasn't going to win the contest.

I have to say, I'm pretty surprised at just how far behind Starmer she ended up finishing. I had her down as one of the shadow cabinet sensibleheads during the Corbyn era, easily on a par with Starmer and with far more parliamentary experience on her side as well. I wonder why it is Starmer ended up hoovering up just so many more votes compared to Thornberry?
Abernathy wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:11 pm
I imagine the bogus doctor may by now have gnawed his own arm off.
Do we know which CLP he belonged to? He'll have probably spontaneously combusted at anything short of a Long-Bailey/Burgon endorsement.
Last edited by Arrowhead on Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
#598371
I wish Starmer hadn't floated that "Prevention of Military Intervention Act" thing. How would that work? If another government wants to do military intervention it just votes that Act down then intervenes.

Nobody thinks he's going to be follow Michael Howard into battle over Gibraltar. He has his track record and that ought to be enough.
#598374
Arrowhead wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:15 pm
To fall just two nominations short must be gut-wrenching for Thornberry, although she almost certainly wasn't going to win the contest.
Saved her £6k.
#598376
The thing about Starmer's 10 pledges schtick is that they were worded very, very carefully and precisely. Enough to lob some red meat to the milder Corbynista brain-donors worried about trashing the absolute shit's "legacy" but perhaps looking to vote for a competent winner just for a change, but also vague enough to afford him plenty of wriggle room once he's safely past the treacherous leadership election process.
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