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:sunglasses: 37.7 % ❤ 2.3 % :thumbsup: 16.2 % 😯 3.8 % :grinning: 29.2 % 🧥 3.8 % 🙏 4.6 % 😟 1.5 % :cry: 0.8 %
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#599278
Ask a shit, tribalist, blinkered, ranting question that ignores the fact people didn't vote labour precisely because of people exactly like you, get a shitwafffle non-answer.



Also "my descendants are turning in their graves" :lol:
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#599279
crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:34 pm
Also "my descendants are turning in their graves" :lol:
Sounds like the police ought to take a little look under her patio...
#599280
It's funny how Labour still does so well in Merseyside. Even Wirral West was held comfortably this time, by about what Blair won it by in 1997.

If Labour loses Leigh, Burnley and Heywood Middleton, how does it hold eg both St Helens seats by a mile? Does The Sun boycott cover basically all of Merseyside?
#599281
Liverpool more internationalist looking and a higher population born to immigrants makes nativist agendas less appealing?

Just the sort of discussion Burgon could have at the Tony Benn uni
Deputy leadership hopeful Richard Burgon wants to set up a ‘Tony Benn University of Political Education’, LabourList can reveal, because he says Labour has “failed miserably in relation to political education in the last few years”.

In an exclusive interview, the left-wing contender vying to succeed Tom Watson as Labour’s deputy leader declared that he wanted to create a “living monument” to his hero, the late socialist Labour MP Tony Benn.

“You could have academics coming to your guest lectures, MPs past and present, biographers, historians, a wide range of people,” Burgon explained. “I think people would really like it. People would really value it.” https://labourlist.org/2020/02/exclusiv ... education/
I thought that’s what all universities did.
#599283
Burgon has other ideas for reconnecting with voters
he would like to see the introduction of “justice twinning”. This would see local parties pair up with “places in the world that are facing injustice”.

He explained: “We could have CLPs twinning with places in occupied Kashmir, places in Colombia, where of course you get shot for being a trade unionist, with Palestinian villages in occupied territories.”

Burgon also expressed interest in Labour setting up a festival modelled on the Festival of Humanity in France, which is organised by daily newspaper L’Humanité – linked to the French Communist Party. It has featured artists such as Iggy Pop and was attended by over 800,000 people in 2018.
#599284
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:13 pm
It's funny how Labour still does so well in Merseyside. Even Wirral West was held comfortably this time, by about what Blair won it by in 1997.

If Labour loses Leigh, Burnley and Heywood Middleton, how does it hold eg both St Helens seats by a mile? Does The Sun boycott cover basically all of Merseyside?
You won't find it on sale in the city or in parts of the Wirral. It's on sale in Halton (where I work), which covers Widnes and Runcorn, but it doesn't sell well. But in city, Sefton, Knowsley - nah.

And as for Burgon's latest idea. That sounds great down the Student Union, but would mean bugger all in (God, I hate to say this) the real world.
#599285
You just have to turn it around. How would he feel about the Margaret Thatcher University (complete with the Norman Tebbitt Students' Union building) opening in Peterborough to promote monetarism and social disharmony?

Because sauce for the goose etc.
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youngian wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:56 pm
Burgon has other ideas for reconnecting with voters
he would like to see the introduction of “justice twinning”. This would see local parties pair up with “places in the world that are facing injustice”.

He explained: “We could have CLPs twinning with places in occupied Kashmir, places in Colombia, where of course you get shot for being a trade unionist, with Palestinian villages in occupied territories.”

Burgon also expressed interest in Labour setting up a festival modelled on the Festival of Humanity in France, which is organised by daily newspaper L’Humanité – linked to the French Communist Party. It has featured artists such as Iggy Pop and was attended by over 800,000 people in 2018.
Didn't they try that Labour festival lark before? Did we ever get any answers about how much that burned through?

What other ideas does he have? "Labour should underwrite libel expenses for erratic left wing blogs"?
#599287
Andy McDandy wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:59 pm
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:13 pm
It's funny how Labour still does so well in Merseyside. Even Wirral West was held comfortably this time, by about what Blair won it by in 1997.

If Labour loses Leigh, Burnley and Heywood Middleton, how does it hold eg both St Helens seats by a mile? Does The Sun boycott cover basically all of Merseyside?
You won't find it on sale in the city or in parts of the Wirral. It's on sale in Halton (where I work), which covers Widnes and Runcorn, but it doesn't sell well. But in city, Sefton, Knowsley - nah.

And as for Burgon's latest idea. That sounds great down the Student Union, but would mean bugger all in (God, I hate to say this) the real world.
Wow, that's much further spread than I thought. Very impressive.

Where does Sun reading kick in? About Southport?
#599288
youngian wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:56 pm
Burgon has other ideas for reconnecting with voters
he would like to see the introduction of “justice twinning”. This would see local parties pair up with “places in the world that are facing injustice”.

He explained: “We could have CLPs twinning with places in occupied Kashmir, places in Colombia, where of course you get shot for being a trade unionist, with Palestinian villages in occupied territories.”
...and do what? What's Burgon's idea with twinning? Send over delegates so they can get incarcerated by dodgy regimes?

It's like every single reason for labour's losses - the disconnect with what matters to voters, the obsession with socialist worthiness above doing any actual good, and the total ignorance of focusing on that when the previous 2 issues have delivered misery to thousands here - aren't problems in his eyes, but focus points and things to take further. What an absolute tool.
#599289
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Tue Feb 25, 2020 4:05 pm


Wow, that's much further spread than I thought. Very impressive.

Where does Sun reading kick in? About Southport?
Chester, Warrington, Southport. No, scrub Southport - that's Torygraph and Mail territory.
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#599290
Even with Jews who don't at all like the Israeli Government, there's got to be a fair bit of "Oh, you're after our lot again? What about <insert country>? " reaction to Corbyn Labour, and that feeds into suspicions of anti-Semitism.

I really don't think "We're doing Israel again!" is all that helpful.
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