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By Bones McCoy
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spoonman wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:42 pm
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:10 pm
Is this a common pattern? People get ill enough to know they have the virus, settle down in isolation and doubtless get a bit fed up. Then they get hit really hard.

A lot of people are going to be absolutely terrified.
The grim irony of this is that it will be having an immeasurably bigger impact than government ministers, medical professionals, police etc. in telling those whom still haven't got the message to #staythefuckhome
Indeed, one of the duties of a "Ledge" is to provide a role-model for all the wannabee alphas out there.

I hope that doesn't sound unsympathetic.
If Boris' trip to ICU makes a few few junior edgelords think twice.
If they realise that Brendan O'Contrary's "Social distancing is worse than the gulags" whinge is him monetising their health.
If they stay home in mum's basement and eat some vegetables.

Then Boris has done us a service.
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By crabcakes_windermere
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Boiler wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:30 pm
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:10 pm
Is this a common pattern? People get ill enough to know they have the virus, settle down in isolation and doubtless get a bit fed up. Then they get hit really hard.

A lot of people are going to be absolutely terrified.
Only a small percentage end up in ICU. So far, no mention has been made of any breathing assistance being required but if he requires a ventilator it is an ICU procedure.

I've been seated in ICU too many times.
It’s a common pattern in the percentage who get advanced disease, but as boiler says that in itself is a small percentage. And a smaller percentage still need ICU. And a smaller percentage still need mechanical ventilation. And a smaller percentage still fail to recover from that.

So while it is good to take precautions and be concerned, the truth is most of us will be fine. It’s important to remember that lockdown is not because we might catch a terrible disease with an incredibly high fatality rate. It’s all about making sure the numbers in hospitals are as low as possible, because the treatment will save the vast majority of the relatively small amount of cases that do make it to hospital, so we need enough equipment to be available.
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By Oblomov
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Boiler wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:24 pm
Duncan Smith was questioned about the herd immunity thing tonight. Apparently, it was a 'misunderstanding'.

Despite my loathing the Johnsons and everything they represent, I cannot find it in my heart to wish ill upon him as I see many in the Twittersphere are. I have seen the death of a loved one in an ICU at close proximity and I would not wish that upon anyone; I still bear the emotional scars now and will carry them to my own end.

How poisoned the chalice of Prime Minister has been for him.
It's just dawned on me that if either of my parents catch COVID-19 and it's fatal for them as expected, I won't even be able to bear witness to their passing unless I pre agree it with my siblings who will be the sole visitor allowed to pay their last respects.

The last time I saw my mother was in January, in a rushed and truncated visit to drop off Christmas presents acquired in Spain for the family before dashing out to get to my brother's 30th birthday party. Sum total of maybe an hour. Had a bit longer with my dad for his 70th birthday in February (mum couldn't attend due to her disability) but his attentions were spread a bit too thin to be truly quality time. So a very real possibility that my last experiences with them were incredibly fleeting and they will just disappear out of my life competely unbeknown to me, no last respects and no funeral. I wouldn't even know how to go about getting their ashes if they were cremated.

I suddenly have a very heavy emotional millstone round my neck today.
 
By Boiler
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Oblomov wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:56 am

It's just dawned on me that if either of my parents catch COVID-19 and it's fatal for them as expected, I won't even be able to bear witness to their passing unless I pre agree it with my siblings who will be the sole visitor allowed to pay their last respects.

The last time I saw my mother was in January, in a rushed and truncated visit to drop off Christmas presents acquired in Spain for the family before dashing out to get to my brother's 30th birthday party. Sum total of maybe an hour. Had a bit longer with my dad for his 70th birthday in February (mum couldn't attend due to her disability) but his attentions were spread a bit too thin to be truly quality time. So a very real possibility that my last experiences with them were incredibly fleeting and they will just disappear out of my life competely unbeknown to me, no last respects and no funeral. I wouldn't even know how to go about getting their ashes if they were cremated.

I suddenly have a very heavy emotional millstone round my neck today.
Pretty much every funeral director will store them for you until such time that you can make arrangements. When I went through this, the funeral director told me she'd had one set of remains on a shelf for *years*.
 
By youngian
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A French publication and RT were the first to break the news that the PM was in ICU while the government was still refusing to confirm it. I assumed it was shit stirring but it seems the Kremlin now confirms whether our leaders are dying before our media can. Strange days indeed.
 
By Boiler
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RT said he was on a ventilator. How much do you trust RT?

A commenter on Fenton's blog has pointed out that this is like the days of the USSR when their media would say "X is unwell but doing fine" when in reality "X" was at death's door.

I suspect this is being managed to both calm the public and the markets.
 
By Oblomov
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Boiler wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:01 am
Oblomov wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:56 am

It's just dawned on me that if either of my parents catch COVID-19 and it's fatal for them as expected, I won't even be able to bear witness to their passing unless I pre agree it with my siblings who will be the sole visitor allowed to pay their last respects.

The last time I saw my mother was in January, in a rushed and truncated visit to drop off Christmas presents acquired in Spain for the family before dashing out to get to my brother's 30th birthday party. Sum total of maybe an hour. Had a bit longer with my dad for his 70th birthday in February (mum couldn't attend due to her disability) but his attentions were spread a bit too thin to be truly quality time. So a very real possibility that my last experiences with them were incredibly fleeting and they will just disappear out of my life competely unbeknown to me, no last respects and no funeral. I wouldn't even know how to go about getting their ashes if they were cremated.

I suddenly have a very heavy emotional millstone round my neck today.
Pretty much every funeral director will store them for you until such time that you can make arrangements. When I went through this, the funeral director told me she'd had one set of remains on a shelf for *years*.
Thank you, I hope they will though I also worry that they're all closed for the foreseeable future and won't take any remains and my parents' ashes will just sit in a morgue drawer for ages.

Christ, of all the Bret Easton Ellis books I expected my life to parallel Lunar Park certainly wasn't the first to come to mind :shock:
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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Funeral directors are open as essential businesses. But just to reiterate - your parents may be old(er), but all age does is increase your risk, and the real reason underlying that is an averaging out of the fact a lot of people as they get older have other conditions - it's not an automatic death sentence because they've passed some arbitrary chronological threshold.

A fit 70-year-old who is otherwise largely well will most probably come through COVID-19 better than an unfit 35-year-old, which is why it's so important for younger people to take it seriously too and some of the earlier messaging was poor in framing it as an "old person's disease". If your parents are well and behaving sensibly they are likely to remain well, and if they do contract it they are likely to recover.
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By Oblomov
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crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:14 am
Funeral directors are open as essential businesses. But just to reiterate - your parents may be old(er), but all age does is increase your risk, and the real reason underlying that is an averaging out of the fact a lot of people as they get older have other conditions - it's not an automatic death sentence because they've passed some arbitrary chronological threshold.

A fit 70-year-old who is otherwise largely well will most probably come through COVID-19 better than an unfit 35-year-old, which is why it's so important for younger people to take it seriously too and some of the earlier messaging was poor in framing it as an "old person's disease". If your parents are well and behaving sensibly they are likely to remain well, and if they do contract it they are likely to recover.
Thanks for the comforting words. Both parents are overweight and diabetic, mum is also on about 8 different medications and dad has been so worn down by caring for mum that "man flu" knocks him for six for a week so I find it very easy to be pessimistic about their chances. However they have listened to my pleas and are keeping indoors (except for prescriptions, I need to see what the government are doing about that) and my brother is doing food shops for them whilst keeping social distancing so they may yet get through the whole show.
 
By Catkins
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However they have listened to my pleas and are keeping indoors (except for prescriptions, I need to see what the government are doing about that)
Boots have started a prescription delivery service for vulnerable people.
 
By Boiler
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Speaking of whom (Johnson, that is):
According to a leading specialist in respiratory medicine, it’s “heartening” that the UK prime minister is receiving what the government describes as “standard oxygen treatment”.

Dr Jon Bennett, president of the British Thoracic Society, has told me this means that Boris Johnson is getting extra oxygen either through his nose or via a face mask. In more serious cases, oxygen is delivered with mechanical support such as "continuous positive airway pressure", "high flow nasal oxygen", or more invasive ventilators. Dr Bennett, who is based at Glenfield Hospital in Leicester, was working on a ward with Covid-19 patients until he himself had to self-isolate after developing suspected symptoms.

“For many people, having some oxygen helps to tide them over till the lungs sort themselves out,” he says. He warns that “you get sick quicker than you get better,” suggesting that the hospital staff “will need to keep a close eye on him for another 2-3 days”.

“But I’m heartened that he’s on a normal oxygen delivery system, and let’s hope that it’s the peak of his illness."
By satnav
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I notice there have been a number of attempts in the media to try and paint a picture of Boris being generally fit and well before he go the Coronavirus but I'm not convinced by any of them. Somebody who worked with him when he was mayor of London claimed he was fit because he could beat anyone at Tennis this seemed to be the same argument being put forward by David Cameron but I find it hard to believe that Cameron has played tennis with Boris in the last 4 years. Just looking at him he looks at least two stone overweight. When I was the same weight as Boris the doctor warned me that if I didn't lose weight quickly I would risk getting diabetes.

There also seems to be a narrative that his health has got worse because he has been working long hours recently but where is the evidence to back up the narrative? I'm sure that a couple of months ago it was reported that Boris ordered his officials to keep any briefing notes down to two sides of A4 so he didn't have too much to read which doesn't suggest he likes spending a lot of time on his red boxes. All the jobs he has ever had done he has done on a part-time basis. He was a part-time mayor of London, part-time MP and a pretty lazy foreign secretary.
 
By Bones McCoy
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satnav wrote:
Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:21 pm
I notice there have been a number of attempts in the media to try and paint a picture of Boris being generally fit and well before he go the Coronavirus but I'm not convinced by any of them. Somebody who worked with him when he was mayor of London claimed he was fit because he could beat anyone at Tennis this seemed to be the same argument being put forward by David Cameron but I find it hard to believe that Cameron has played tennis with Boris in the last 4 years. Just looking at him he looks at least two stone overweight. When I was the same weight as Boris the doctor warned me that if I didn't lose weight quickly I would risk getting diabetes.

There also seems to be a narrative that his health has got worse because he has been working long hours recently but where is the evidence to back up the narrative? I'm sure that a couple of months ago it was reported that Boris ordered his officials to keep any briefing notes down to two sides of A4 so he didn't have too much to read which doesn't suggest he likes spending a lot of time on his red boxes. All the jobs he has ever had done he has done on a part-time basis. He was a part-time mayor of London, part-time MP and a pretty lazy foreign secretary.
It's been fucking laughable to see the parade of party colleges attempting to portray him as some kind of Niechiean superman today:
He's a fighter, nobody works harder, he's exhausted after..
I think we've all seen enough to know when they're feeding us bullshit.
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