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By The Weeping Angel
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:31 pm
Newly elected co-chairs of Momentum.

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/07/our-vi ... r-momentum

It's fairly abstract stuff and only one political entity gets picked out to be opposed- Tower Hamlets Council. Johnson and Co who passed the cuts on to them are safely out of the firing line. I don't want to be cynical, but it's funny that, for a group who "will organize in every region" that the defining issue that comes to mind is in Central London, isn't it?

They're going to "lead" criticism of Keir Starmer, who they fear will abandon the policies that has seen Labour romp home in the election,

"We are only just beginning", apparently. The golden age of Momentum, or their own term in office?
It's what they left out that's important.



Oh and one of them lives in New York.
 
By Zuriblue
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crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:46 am
By the sound of things, they're going to be spending most of their time fighting each other anyway.
Splitter!
 
By Catkins
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It's fairly abstract stuff and only one political entity gets picked out to be opposed- Tower Hamlets Council. Johnson and Co who passed the cuts on to them are safely out of the firing line.
Lemmie guess, Tower Hamlets councillors are Blairite wankers as they won't pass an illegal budget forcing the government to sack them and take over?
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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There is a major strike there and lots of staff are having to reapply for their own jobs. Don't know if it's all down to government cuts, but I haven't heard of any property development disasters or anything like that.

And of course Tower Hamlets was denied a chunk of money from Desmond's development- doubtless a deal would have been done some way below the max, but still pretty substantial. The council would have then been told it had "given millions away" or something.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Reading about the rates-capping battles on wiki. Noted this.
Stewart Lansley, writing in the Labour Party journal New Socialist in July 1985, argued that the ratecapping fight had very quickly turned from councils fighting the Government into a fight within the Labour Party. He pointed out that three leaders of Labour councils had resigned when budgets were passed, and council meetings had seen angry scenes of abuse, recrimination and intimidation; dissenting councillors in Southwark had been sent white feathers
The Tories would laugh their arses off if they could pull this trick again. Fortunately, under Kinnock and onwards they learned not to fall into this trap.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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As the Director of Public Prosecutions Keir Starmer worked closely with the police in prosecuting and convicting people who were overwhelmingly working class and disproportionately people of colour. As he said recently, “Nobody should be saying anything about defunding the police… I’ve worked with police forces across England and Wales bringing thousands of people to court, so my support for the police is very strong.” While failing to hold the police accountable for deaths in police custody, he did little against corporate corruption but encouraged longer and tougher sentences for “benefit fraud”, and ordered the fast-tracking of extradition of Julian Assange. Assange, who is an award-winning journalist and publisher, is being persecuted for revealing US war crimes overwhelmingly against people of colour.
Funny how they didn't mention that the extradition of Assange was to Sweden on charges of sexual assault, not to America for revealing war crimes, isn't it?

This is instructive on bad old Keir going after benefit fraudsters.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... jail-terms

He seems to be using stronger legislation (Fraud Act) than was used before. I would think this Fraud Act is used on corporate fraudsters. Hard for me to understand why different sorts of fraud should be prosecuted under different laws. Of course, the judge would take into account mitigation in individual cases.

What are they suggesting he do with corporate corruption? Are there some stronger laws he's choosing not to use or something? The Serious Fraud Office would be the ones leading on that, wouldn't they? And don't regulators prefer to get companies to pay fines rather than go through long risky prosecutions?
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By Boiler
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So far, I've had to deal with Saville/de Menezes/grooming gangs re: Starmer.

And someone getting sniffy when I pointed out it's 'Keir', not 'Kier' and he's a knight of the realm, not a peer.

Why do I bother.
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By Tubby Isaacs
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I think the point is the implied contrast. Look, he went after benefit fraudsters but he let off corporate fraudsters/ cops/ the Tories/ Amazon/ whoever.

People who say this stuff are never particularly precise. Bunch of them showed up BTL on a tweet by Margaret Hodge about penalties for tax advisors who give advise for schemes that are unlawful. "Hypocrite! You own a company that avoided tax!" Avoided lawfully. So no penalty for the tax advisors.
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By The Weeping Angel
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visage wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:16 pm
Camden Momentum behaving entirely normally.

https://camdenlabourleft.org/2020/07/21 ... r-starmer/
Kept in his Cabinet Rachel Reeves who joined Boris Johnson and other Tories in praising Lady Astor, a well-known Nazi sympathizer and anti-Semite, while firing Rebecca Long-Bailey for retweeting a reference to Israeli training of US police – a fact which he described as an “antisemitic conspiracy theory”.
A certain Mr J Corbyn also spoke favourably of Astor.
 
By youngian
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Boiler wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:21 pm
So far, I've had to deal with Saville/de Menezes/grooming gangs re: Starmer.

And someone getting sniffy when I pointed out it's 'Keir', not 'Kier' and he's a knight of the realm, not a peer.

Why do I bother.
I’m a racist for suggesting ‘the left wing media’ have no journalistic rigour. The general definition of a racist in Momentum is anyone who points out Diane Abbot wasn’t good at her job as shadow Home Secretary.
The Canary at one point, had 30 staff and a turnover of 250k. Not bad for a 'hobby blog'. But whatever, your comment is plainly the usual lazy right wing anti-socialist nonsense, you don't like strong successful left wing BAME women like Kerry Anne Mendoza do you..
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