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By visage
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#619808
Yeah. People dont cry out for socialism. They cry out for things that will make their lives better (which may or may not be delivered by socialism).

I care that the train that I commute on is on time and affordable. If you can persuade me that it being run by the state will provide that then great. But dont present it as something axiomatic.
 
By Oblomov
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#619814
It's something I wish the anarcho-crank in my group chat would understand when he drinks too much and starts ranting about "Liberals always enable fascism because they'd rather see that than the death of capitalism" and that voting for lesser evil centrist options is just a delay to that :roll:
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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#619820
There's a big difference between "I want to do some good" and being willing to accept there are some things you might not manage to get done, and "I want to do some good" but refusing to do anything unless you get to do everything you want in exactly the way you want to do it.
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By davidjay
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#619830
crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:55 pm
There's a big difference between "I want to do some good" and being willing to accept there are some things you might not manage to get done, and "I want to do some good" but refusing to do anything unless you get to do everything you want in exactly the way you want to do it.
It's the reverse of "Save the planet? Huh.... you own a car" or "How many are you having in your house?" There's nobody more sanctimonious than someone who does nothing berating someone who does something for not doing everything.
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By Boiler
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#619897
So, after reading this post lifted from elsewhere (the poster lives in Stoke), how does Labour set about recovering its Northern vote, or does it just say "fuck 'em, we'll go after the more metropolitan Southern vote instead"??
That's Labour who still couldn't clearly state their Brexit position into the election campaign after 4 years of dithering over it.

The problem for them was their front bench wanted to cancel it or reluctantly water it down so far as to be pointless. And their heads in the sand over those of us outside of London or their membership. Seriously who cares what 500k members think? To form party policy those 500k completely matter and should be listened to but outside in the election world those numbers are tiny. They kept saying Labour members voted Remain but forgot the vast majority of Labour voters aren't members and as proven by their disastrous defeat shouldn't have been sacrificed to try to retain London Remain votes and such.

We had the Lib Dems cancel policy, the Tories promising to honour it and a Labour party you didn't know either way. So traditional Labour seats fell to those promising to enact what they voted for previously (something many on all sides tried their best to work out of).

Northern & Midland Leave voters were left having to vote Tory because of this. There is still the Corbyn issue, also very unpopular, but it was more a Brexit election.
 
By crabcakes_windermere
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#619904
Winning back the northern vote is actually fairly simple:
1. Seem competent and approachable. Corbyn never did, and it’s nothing to do with bad press. He was only ever really interested in talking to people who already agreed with him.
2. Make it clear the Tories have no interest in the north.
3. Tie the imminent economic devastation and job losses clearly to Johnson’s government (not Brexit - which it ultimately is - but to their choices in how to go about it and their pursuit of no deal to line their own pockets)
By mr angry manchester
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#619915
crabcakes_windermere wrote:
Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:13 am
Winning back the northern vote is actually fairly simple:
1. Seem competent and approachable. Corbyn never did, and it’s nothing to do with bad press. He was only ever really interested in talking to people who already agreed with him.
2. Make it clear the Tories have no interest in the north.
3. Tie the imminent economic devastation and job losses clearly to Johnson’s government (not Brexit - which it ultimately is - but to their choices in how to go about it and their pursuit of no deal to line their own pockets)
4 Get rid of the idiot lunatic fringe who obsess about stupid shit which 99.9% of northern voters don't give a flying fuck about
 
By Andy McDandy
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#619928
Trots in Stoke are up in arms about his recent visit. Apparently nobody told them he was coming, not that they wanted to go to his stoopid photo op, sassenfrassenrassen.
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