- Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:12 pm
At the last dedicated women's conference I went to (and it was a Labour women's conference, not a low budget dog and pony show from inexperienced organisers, or one especially for extreme feminists), the unisex toilets with cubicles for privacy lasted less than half the first day before someone had to print out signs to segregate them by sex, because Woman's Place representatives and the rest of the people walking around the floor in 'Woman. Noun: adult human female' shirts and dumping buckets of water over trans people objected.
There's a vocal extreme on both sides. But for the hardcore anti-trans types who dress it up as caring about women, simply making the space safer will never be enough. They insist on separation, even though a predator won't simply not predate because a sign says they shouldn't.
I say dress it up as caring about women because the majority of people complaining that trans women are just men in dresses, and everything should be based on biological sex, in my experience don't consider the experience of trans men, or the abuse that a muscular, bearded bloke would go through because Woman's Place think that people with their plumbing are women and shouldn't use the Gents. Which would be at least as traumatic for the cis women they claim they want to protect, as well.
Plenty of non-binary people and cis women've been hassled in public toilets for looking insufficiently feminine, too. Including me.
As I've said elsewhere: you can say that you're a feminist and that means that a woman can look how she likes and nobody can tell her otherwise, or you can gatekeep based on a male gaze standard of femininity. I don't think that you can do both.
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