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By Malcolm Armsteen
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:48 pm
Not to defend Williamson, but this looks like he's being dumped on because he's on the way out anyway. The Chancellor, not to mention the Prime Minister, could have sorted it over his head. And where's the collective responsibility?
It's Williamson's job. He has responsibility for children. He has to make a case to the treasury - they won't be proactive, it's their job not to spend money.
Not to make the request is a major dereliction of his duty and ministerial responsibilities.
 
By Bones McCoy
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Samanfur wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:38 pm
And then there's this guy:
See also this. Straight out of central casting.

Notably, the Major has locked his account rather than deal with the fallout.
I'd love a few of these budgeting experts to go to work on Serco consultants fees. Yeah!!
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:31 pm
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Mon Oct 26, 2020 8:48 pm
Not to defend Williamson, but this looks like he's being dumped on because he's on the way out anyway. The Chancellor, not to mention the Prime Minister, could have sorted it over his head. And where's the collective responsibility?
It's Williamson's job. He has responsibility for children. He has to make a case to the treasury - they won't be proactive, it's their job not to spend money.
Not to make the request is a major dereliction of his duty and ministerial responsibilities.
He's not up to the job, we all agree on that. But look at this



That's 11 days ago and looks like Johnson/Cummings putting their foot down. And they can fix the issue any time after that. The fact that Williamson didn't ask for the money is by the by.
 
By Malcolm Armsteen
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No it isn't. It's his job and duty to do those things, and to argue his department's case in No 10 and No 11, and with fellow MPs. That is literally why he is there.

An anonymous Tory MP:
“There is this growing worry about a tendency to get ourselves into dead ends and then have to eventually do a U-turn,” the MP said. “It’s not just No 10 not engaging properly with MPs, it’s departmental ministers too, and they really should be acting as a bridge with MPs.

“The Department for Education is seen as one of the worst for this, and they’ve had a lot of U-turns. Their junior team is pretty inexperienced, and it’s often them who should liaise with MPs and pick up on things. The tone is set by No 10, but a good secretary of state makes sure they do all this properly, and Gavin [Williamson] has lost a lot of credibility in the last six months or so.” Williamson came under intense fire amid the exam results fiasco over the summer.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... hool-meals
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By Tubby Isaacs
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It's his job, he's not up to it, he's going anyway.

But the government doesn't need a request from the minister to sort this, as if there's a fixed formal process. Hard to think of any government that cares less for formal processes.

You run a government like that, where Classic Dom pronounces on everything, including this issue 12 days ago, and you take the blame.
 
By Andy McDandy
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Nazi Germany, rather than being the exemplar of Teutonic efficiency it was made out to be, was actually a shambles of arse-headed bureaucracy (among, y'know, all that crimes against humanity stuff). Hitler was notoriously vague and lazy, Goebbels issued seemingly random policy proclamations, and everyone tried to "work towards" what they reckoned Der Fuhrer wanted.

Bit like this lot.
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By youngian
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No it isn't. It's his job and duty to do those things, and to argue his department's case in No 10 and No 11, and with fellow MPs. That is literally why he is there.

Williamson is there because he supports Brexit and wouldn’t have a ministerial career without unconditional loyalty to Bozo. Anymore than Sid Little would have a showbiz career without Eddie Large.
 
By youngian
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Andy McDandy wrote:
Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:50 am
Nazi Germany, rather than being the exemplar of Teutonic efficiency it was made out to be, was actually a shambles of arse-headed bureaucracy (among, y'know, all that crimes against humanity stuff). Hitler was notoriously vague and lazy, Goebbels issued seemingly random policy proclamations, and everyone tried to "work towards" what they reckoned Der Fuhrer wanted.

Bit like this lot.
Or Trump although Adolf has a better instinct for appointing loyal people that stuck around. To be fair I doubt Rex Tillison would still be alive if he called Hitler a fucking idiot.
 
By Tubby Isaacs
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Are you saying Prime Ministers can't make spending commitments without the Minister putting it in a formal request to the Chief Secretary? Surely, they do that all the time. Johnson promised to open some railway in Northumberland (which doubtless helped them win Blyth Valley). He didn't wait for a formal request to be made by the Transport Secretary.

I don't think there's ever been a government with a more powerful Number 10 and weaker ministers. That's the Government's choice. So the most powerful people in it don't get to hide behind Williamson not putting in a formal request.
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