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By Andy McDandy
#2369
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 5:45 pm Why was Brown at fault in 2014? He would be expecting Milliband to win the election and do that. How was he supposed to do it?
At the time, he couldn't have predicted Brexit. Cameron was hoping on either another hung parliament and coalition ("Oh dear, price of power, bloody Lib Dems"), or to win the referendum. Brown was stiffed along with the rest of us.
By Bones McCoy
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Tubby Isaacs wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 5:45 pm Why was Brown at fault in 2014? He would be expecting Milliband to win the election and do that. How was he supposed to do it?
I don't believe Gordon was so naive to forget the old saw about not writing cheques that you can't cover..

He was put up as a Trusted local face to promise something that most of Westminster had no intention of honouring.
The farce that followed left him with all the credibility of Arlene Foster - but without the billion.

It doesn't look good either way: Extravagant undeliverable promises, or outwitted by Cameron and his goons.
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By Tubby Isaacs
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Bones McCoy wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 7:34 pm
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 5:45 pm Why was Brown at fault in 2014? He would be expecting Milliband to win the election and do that. How was he supposed to do it?
I don't believe Gordon was so naive to forget the old saw about not writing cheques that you can't cover..

He was put up as a Trusted local face to promise something that most of Westminster had no intention of honouring.
The farce that followed left him with all the credibility of Arlene Foster - but without the billion.

It doesn't look good either way: Extravagant undeliverable promises, or outwitted by Cameron and his goons.
His "federalism" stuff is nonsense., I wish he'd swerve that. "Home rule"? Pretty major devolution in the two Scotland Acts, but there could definitely be more. The EU bit hasn't worn well, but given that Barosso told Scotland to fuck off, I think Gordo had a point.
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By Arrowhead
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Anybody fancy yet another early general election?

Could the Tories - who never knowingly let a good crisis go unexploited - repeal the Fixed-term Parliaments Act in order to deliver us GE2023, a year earlier than scheduled?

Johnson legitimises it by pointing to the SNP and waffling some insincere, misty-eyed nonsense about how "our precious Union is in mortal danger - give me a mandate to tell Sturgeon to get stuffed and save good old Blighty in the process". By 2023, the country will probably still be basking in a post-COVID glow, coupled with some huge growth numbers as the economy continues to bounce back. Plus it would have the benefit of stymying Starmer, who as we have seen from the past few days needs every single one of the 36 months between now and May 2024 .

It'd further wrap the Tories in their beloved Union Jack, set up Labour as the fall guys ("Labour's disastrous devolution policies have led us to the brink of oblivion, we warned them!"), distract the public from Brexit bad news, and normalise the notion of voting Tory every election to keep the nasty nationalist wolf from the door ("I used to vote Labour, but I love my country so I've gotta do what's right").

End result: 200+ Tory majority, Union Jacks everywhere, and "three cheers for Boris!" down the boozer every Saturday night for saving the UK. Rinse and repeat for every election.

Or am I just being fatalistic in my old age?
By Youngian
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Or am I just being fatalistic in my old age?

Its overestimating the deep seated love of Britain among the English. Nearly 50 percent when I last looked were relaxed about an English state and Britishness over Englishness was strongest among non-Tory voters; Ethnic minorities and metropolitan liberals using it as a more inclusive identity. Most problems have no objection to Scotland leaving.
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By Boiler
#2453
Arrowhead wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:42 pm End result: 200+ Tory majority, Union Jacks everywhere, and "three cheers for Boris!" down the boozer every Saturday night for saving the UK. Rinse and repeat for every election.

Or am I just being fatalistic in my old age?
Couple of Tories on another board I read are angling for Scottish Independence because it gets rid of a bunch of ungrateful moaners/Barnett Formula scroungers and pretty much guarantees a Tory Government in England in perpetuity.
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By Arrowhead
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Boiler wrote: Mon May 10, 2021 10:42 am Couple of Tories on another board I read are angling for Scottish Independence because it gets rid of a bunch of ungrateful moaners/Barnett Formula scroungers and pretty much guarantees a Tory Government in England in perpetuity.
What are the chances they both incorporate Union Jacks within their social media avatars?

I had a similar experience with a neighbour who, right before the referendum in 2016, dished out loads of pro-Leave leaflets with a badly-photocopied Union Jack on it. A couple of years earlier following Indyref, he was on Facebook bemoaning a lost opportunity to rid the country of a load of grumpy lefties.
By mattomac
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Arrowhead wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 10:42 pm Anybody fancy yet another early general election?

Could the Tories - who never knowingly let a good crisis go unexploited - repeal the Fixed-term Parliaments Act in order to deliver us GE2023, a year earlier than scheduled?

Johnson legitimises it by pointing to the SNP and waffling some insincere, misty-eyed nonsense about how "our precious Union is in mortal danger - give me a mandate to tell Sturgeon to get stuffed and save good old Blighty in the process". By 2023, the country will probably still be basking in a post-COVID glow, coupled with some huge growth numbers as the economy continues to bounce back. Plus it would have the benefit of stymying Starmer, who as we have seen from the past few days needs every single one of the 36 months between now and May 2024 .

It'd further wrap the Tories in their beloved Union Jack, set up Labour as the fall guys ("Labour's disastrous devolution policies have led us to the brink of oblivion, we warned them!"), distract the public from Brexit bad news, and normalise the notion of voting Tory every election to keep the nasty nationalist wolf from the door ("I used to vote Labour, but I love my country so I've gotta do what's right").

End result: 200+ Tory majority, Union Jacks everywhere, and "three cheers for Boris!" down the boozer every Saturday night for saving the UK. Rinse and repeat for every election.

Or am I just being fatalistic in my old age?
I’m not getting the economy bouncing back to be honest nor do I expect the warm glow of vaccinations to still be prevelant.

We’ve been here before with May, and anyhow thought the fixed term thing had been dumped anyhow.
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