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Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 8:06 pm
by Bones McCoy
The Weeping Angel wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 6:06 pm So when can welook forward to Indyref 2 Electric Boogaloo?
Repeat after me "Now is not the time".

For ever, like a boot stamping on a human face.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 8:13 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Apologies for the source, not someone I check out but she comes up on other people's timeline. But this is an intriguing point.

What's the suggestion here?



The SNP are afraid population might be falling? The SNP wanted to spend the money on something else before the election?

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sat May 08, 2021 10:04 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
In other news, ha ha.
Alex Salmond will not return to the Scottish parliament after Alba failed to win a seat on the North East regional list, winning just 8,269 votes.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 10:55 am
by Bones McCoy
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Sat May 08, 2021 8:13 pm Apologies for the source, not someone I check out but she comes up on other people's timeline. But this is an intriguing point.

What's the suggestion here?



The SNP are afraid population might be falling? The SNP wanted to spend the money on something else before the election?

It seems rather typical of the general tabloid line of attack on parties the owners don't like.
"Starmer abstained", "Milliband looks strange when he eats", "Abbott got a sum wrong once", "Sturgeon adjusted the date of the census", "They (tm) banned our bus parade after we won the league" .
Odd things to get excited about when there are 150,000 dead form a mismanaged disease response.


While the complainant might not have had to queue for anything, but thousands of civil servants and temporary staff would be required to congregate to sort and collate the results.

The actual story:

https://www.scotlandscensus.gov.uk/news ... march-2022
Following careful consideration and on recommendation of National Records of Scotland, Ministers have informed the Scottish Parliament of their intention to move Scotland’s Census date to March 2022. This reflects the unprecedented impact which COVID-19 is having across a wide range of sectors.

We recognise Scotland’s Census remains more relevant than ever in the current climate, as it allows important planning decisions to be made informed by the make-up of Scotland’s population.

This decision was not taken lightly. However the quality of the census data must remain robust, and by moving to 2022 National Records of Scotland can continue to deliver a census which ensures the highest possible response rate from people across Scotland, to allow government, local authorities and key services plan for every element of public life, from building homes to NHS support.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 3:07 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Hmmm. Wales and England held their census. What's the difference? People are furloughed at home where they would be anyway, aren't they?

It may well be "Historywoman" is talking bollocks. But I'd be surprised if there weren't something plausible she's thinking of. She's not stupid, however unpleasant her tone can be.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 3:23 pm
by davidjay
In 2014 I was glad that Scotland voted No. Now I say good luck to them, and if I lived there I'd probably be in favour. Has anyone else changed their mind?

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 3:46 pm
by Arrowhead
davidjay wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:23 pm In 2014 I was glad that Scotland voted No. Now I say good luck to them, and if I lived there I'd probably be in favour. Has anyone else changed their mind?
I was of a similar mindset in 2014. I still can't say I actually *want* it to happen, but yeah, good luck to them if they do somehow negotiate an Indyref2. If I lived up there, the events of the past 2-3 years would probably have swung my opinion.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 3:56 pm
by davidjay
Arrowhead wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:46 pm
davidjay wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:23 pm In 2014 I was glad that Scotland voted No. Now I say good luck to them, and if I lived there I'd probably be in favour. Has anyone else changed their mind?
I was of a similar mindset in 2014. I still can't say I actually *want* it to happen, but yeah, good luck to them if they do somehow negotiate an Indyref2. If I lived up there, the events of the past 2-3 years would probably have swung my opinion.
I agree with you agreeing with me. There's probably a case for another referendum, although the SNP would be wise to hold fire for a couple of years until the shit starts sticking to the fan economy-wise because the next one really will be the last for a generation. While at the moment I wouldn't necessarily want them to become independent based on the then-prospect of Tory rule forever, if I were living there it would be a different matter entirely. And to repeat what I said on the old board, if I was in charge of planning in the border towns I'd already be looking at ways of improving infrastructure and making land available for housing ready to deal with a wave of immigration.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 4:49 pm
by Bones McCoy
davidjay wrote: Sun May 09, 2021 3:23 pm In 2014 I was glad that Scotland voted No. Now I say good luck to them, and if I lived there I'd probably be in favour. Has anyone else changed their mind?
I can't recall when I crossed over to being Pro independence.
I was certainly on-board by 2014, what with Jim "Henry Jackson Society" Murphy doing the Tory dirty work.
The pledge fronted by Gordon Brown "Stay in to secure extra devo and your place in the EU" soon became a blot on an otherwise honourable man's record.


Whizzing forward to the present, the Tories and SNP have one unspoken common interest.
Both are burning too much gas talking about Indyref 2.

It's frankly too close to call, and liable to be won by the sort of Social media efforts that delivered Brexit.
The SNP would be better off waiting till Brexit turns sour, but obviously cannot say that.
The Tories would be better off granting one now (unless they think they can say No for ever), then throwing the kitchen sink at "Team Union", but obviously they cannot say that.

So we're stuck in this deadly embrace, with both sides seeing a status quo as a means to stoke resentment among their followers.
Sprinkle a bit of Football / Faux Church sectarianism for flavour, and it's far from ideal.

Re: SNP weakening?

Posted: Sun May 09, 2021 5:45 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Why was Brown at fault in 2014? He would be expecting Milliband to win the election and do that. How was he supposed to do it?