:sunglasses: 55.6 % :laughing: 22.2 % :poo: 22.2 %
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By The Weeping Angel
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https://labourlist.org/2021/06/labour-c ... positions/
It’s a strategy that is dying on its feet. As the by-election in Hartlepool has shown, Starmer has not only been unable to entice those voters back to the party but his push to the right in pursuit of them is alienating other essential parts of Labour’s electoral coalition. Voters aged between 18-24 are moving in their droves to the Greens, with Labour’s support amongst this demographic dropping by a dramatic 21 points, while many BAME voters were left disappointed by the Labour leader’s perceived equivocation during the Black Lives Matter protests last year.
This piece seems to be referencing that polling
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By Arrowhead
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The Weeping Angel wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:10 pm This piece seems to be referencing that polling
The wider issue being that Labour's voter coalition has unpeeled like a banana over the past few years, starting in Scotland and reaching a peak/nadir with the fallout from Brexit & Corbyn in 2019 and beyond.

Corbyn-sympathetic left winger who backed RLB/Burgon during the leadership elections last year?
Starmer isn't - and emphatically never will be - your guy. The Greens will get your vote until he is gone (or "purged").

One of the Glastonbury cool kids responsible for the 2017 Youthquake?
The Greens seem a more natural fit than a Starmer-led Labour Party. Didn't he used to be a cop or summat?

Left-leaning Scottish voter attracted to the idea of Scottish independence?
Already decided to throw in your lot with the SNP some years ago.

Brexity Red Wall voter fed up with all this BLM stuff?
Happy that Corbyn is out, but good old Boris gets your vote for now.

Traumatised Remainer who hates everything about Brexit Britain?
Gutted that Starmer now accepts the end of EU freedom of movement. Lib Dems for you.

Taking all that into account, it's actually quite impressive Labour are still rooted somewhere in the mid-thirties in many of the opinion polls.
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By Tubby Isaacs
#4775
The Weeping Angel wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:10 pm https://labourlist.org/2021/06/labour-c ... positions/
It’s a strategy that is dying on its feet. As the by-election in Hartlepool has shown, Starmer has not only been unable to entice those voters back to the party but his push to the right in pursuit of them is alienating other essential parts of Labour’s electoral coalition. Voters aged between 18-24 are moving in their droves to the Greens, with Labour’s support amongst this demographic dropping by a dramatic 21 points, while many BAME voters were left disappointed by the Labour leader’s perceived equivocation during the Black Lives Matter protests last year.
This piece seems to be referencing that polling
Yep.
By Oboogie
#4777
Arrowhead wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:16 pm
Traumatised Remainer who hates everything about Brexit Britain?
Gutted that Starmer now accepts the end of EU freedom of movement. Lib Dems for you.
I guess that's me.
EU freedom of movement has ended. That's not opinion. That's fact. I accept it, because it's true.
Where is the evidence of this massive swing from Labour to the LibDems, I've not seen any polling suggesting that has happened.
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By Arrowhead
#4783
Oboogie wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:56 pm I guess that's me.
EU freedom of movement has ended. That's not opinion. That's fact. I accept it, because it's true.
Where is the evidence of this massive swing from Labour to the LibDems, I've not seen any polling suggesting that has happened.
It hasn’t happened…………yet. Maybe it won’t, but it seems to me the next column most likely to crumble, especially if public sentiment finally turns against Brexit. There is undoubtedly a large number of ultra-Remainers out there who may well be persuaded over to the Lib Dem camp if they decide Labour is a busted flush.
By Oboogie
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Arrowhead wrote: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:48 am
Oboogie wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:56 pm I guess that's me.
EU freedom of movement has ended. That's not opinion. That's fact. I accept it, because it's true.
Where is the evidence of this massive swing from Labour to the LibDems, I've not seen any polling suggesting that has happened.
It hasn’t happened…………yet. Maybe it won’t, but it seems to me the next column most likely to crumble, especially if public sentiment finally turns against Brexit. There is undoubtedly a large number of ultra-Remainers out there who may well be persuaded over to the Lib Dem camp if they decide Labour is a busted flush.
I seriously doubt there are many Rejoiners daft enough to believe the Tories are going to lead us back in the EU.
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By Tubby Isaacs
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The Weeping Angel wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:52 pm Very worrying.
If "rich pay with house prices" (T May) was a political disaster, than I can't see what other options there are. I can see that Labour don't want to have "Labour's £xbn tax bombshell" around their neck this early in the parliament, but the main criticism now is having no policies.

Sienna Rodgers reckons the policy does still stand. In which case, this is awful comms.
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