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By Cyclist
#1904
Time to reincarnate this thread.

The BBC 24-hour Vacuous Dribble Channel had John McDonnell on to talk about the Hartlepool by-election result. It was very much a case of a Corbynite spekang his branes. Reading between the lines it was all Starmer's fault. A proper leader such as St Jeremy would never have let the Tories win. He waffled on for about 10 minutes. Nearly all of it was absolutely nothing to do with the question he was asked, but while he was busy running-down the Party he's a member of, and it's leader, the BBC were quite happy to let him ramble on. :roll:
#1951
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:18 pm Why not? I'm hearing from the doorstep that it was real.

(And in a vox pop Sky found someone who didn't know Starmer had taken over).
I'm sure that's true just don't say it in public as it sounds like feeble buck passing. Starmer now has to find out why he hasn't overcome those perceptions.
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Youngian wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 1:58 pm Blaming last night on the stench Corbyn left behind isn't very helpful either.
While I'm with Malc on the fact it's probably real, I also think it isn't very helpful either because it just reminds people that Labour made the mistake of having him as leader remarkably recently on the one hand, and on the other alienates those who might have liked some of the ideas of Corbyn's time and/or liked the idea of a different sort of person in charge (even if in Jez's case it all went south very rapidly for all but the true believers).

I think the best way to move past him is to make him an irrelevance as soon as possible through electoral success. Easier said than done, but hopefully Thursday is a wake-up call that you can't just try and not put off all the people all the time. You have to show what you're going to do for them as well. I'm hoping Starmer is a bit less stage managed and a bit more human in future.
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By Boiler
#1960
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 2:45 pm Given that people are denying knowing who he is...

We need Ali back.
No, we do not need Campbell back.

What we do need to do is to stop looking backwards - be it at Corbyn or Blair. That reeks of Tories hankering for Thatcher.

It really is time to put the past behind us.
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