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By Boiler
#1968
He'll forever be associated with Blair though.

If he came back, my membership card would be getting the scissors and sent back to my local chair sharpish. (Incidentally, have you noticed how difficult it is to resign from the Party?)

Meanwhile, have a look at the BTL comments here. Perhaps we shouldn't be so dismissive of this self-selecting group.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... 6#comments
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Boiler wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 3:34 pm Meanwhile, have a look at the BTL comments here. Perhaps we shouldn't be so dismissive of this self-selecting group.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics- ... 6#comments
From those, I can ascertain that Labour are too left-wing, too right-wing, too centrist, too bland, too patriotic, too unpatriotic, too obsessed with SJW issues and too ignorant of what matters to young people.

And that sums up Starmer's problem nicely. Everyone sees them as something else already. He has to give Labour a strong identity again.

In fact, a good start would be to own this. Have a campaign with ads that say

"I'm not voting Labour, because they're [insert grievance here]"

Then underneath have a simple, specific thing that shows they're not that ("In fact, Labour's policy is..."), along with a clear tagline like "Labour: take another look"

No mention of the Tories. No mention of Brexit. Just taking a moan and debunking it with a policy.
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By Boiler
#1976
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Fri May 07, 2021 4:02 pm Maybe it's time to decide whether or not we want to be elected again.
Above this, Crabs has put up an excellent idea (IMO) for a future campaign message. The big worry I have is that we have moved into an era of personality/'character'-led politics - and sadly, Starmer comes across as dull and managerial. By Heavens, it's what this country needs - but in a decade that brought us Farage, Johnson and Corbyn, SKS has got to come up with something to cut through this superficial bullshit.

From elsewhere, and it comes from a Tory not given to stridency:
Somewhere this morning, I saw the suggestion that the next Labour PM has yet to be born. I suspect that comment was over-optimistic for Labour - I suspect 2015 was their true level, 2019 a continuation of it, and 2017 a complete outlier. I am therefore not convinced that they can win in the UK - ever.
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